A Book?

[fr0d0]

I don't entertain such an idea.

Yes you do. You can go through the Bible claiming "this is clearly an allegory" and "this is clearly the truth". However what you think of as allegories were once thought of as truth, and as time goes on what you think of as "truth" will be cast aside as an allegory by future generations. That is God of the gaps at work. As long as God isn't disproved, everything that is claimed of him can simply be tossed aside to the allegory pile.

What I can say for my 'group' is that some things are accepted as up for question. It just happens to be true that I could be me and hold beliefs that don't step on science's toes at all. (And I know that 'me' includes thousands of Christians (and that's just those in the UK I'm aware of their stance roughly). If there ever was reason to consider those allegorical parts as scientific then I'd need to change my view. As that follows, I think, I'd probably be able to also prove God at that point... this being the point where humans achieve god like attributes

Let me work that out as well...

People, A, observed X
Science, B, claimed Y
Some people, C, lost their way and thought X = Y
People still observed X, and also observed Y
Group C fought over X = Y
Groups A & B lived in peace observing X & Y

You Adrian, along with Creationist nut jobs, are in group C. How does that make you feel?

Hang on, you just said that group C was the place where people thought the observations matched the scientific explanation (X = Y), and you lump creationists in that group? Tell me, exactly what scientific explanation backs up creationism?

Or have you got this entire thing backwards. Perhaps we should give examples and not use logic notation anymore

I'm glad you found this again, I thought it was fun! Yeah you're probably right.. lets get practical

- philosophers observed the spiritual
- scientists observed fact

- Some people in both camps thought their observations crossed and fought over them
- others remained in their separate camps, admiring the other camps observations, wondering with bemusement at the squabbles in no mans land.

- No mans land is inhabited by atheists and creationists. Both are confused and think that scientific fact and spirituality are one subject.

Howzat?