RE: Old Wine in New Bottles
September 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2011 at 9:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Okay, no evidence for the immaterial, rgr. So, when I say that I don't feel that it would be very prudent to claim that we know that anything beyond the material exists, or even more directly, that the materials IS all we know anything about....what's the correlation to religion there? When I say that the only thing we know about god or gods is what exists here in the material world (the texts) and that those texts frequently contradict what we do know about the material world...whats the correlation to religion? When I ask for evidence (and obviously base my entire world view upon evidence)...whats the correlation to religion?
Does a rock exist? Yep here's the evidence.
Does a soul exist? Nope, no evidence.
(evidence shows up) Hey look at that I was wrong. Souls do exist.
The part in parenthesis is your responsibility.
This isn't explained, or that isn't explained is evidence of the unexplained, not the immaterial. I'm unwilling to posit dualism, or appeal to solipsism or ignorance. What we know is what can be demonstrated, end of. If you wish for your overarching spiritual truths to be taken seriously, on par with the existence of things like rocks, or human beings, then you have legwork to do. No amount of criticism leveled at materialism will change that. You want it, go get it. Magnetism was magic once upon a time, so there's hope.
Does a rock exist? Yep here's the evidence.
Does a soul exist? Nope, no evidence.
(evidence shows up) Hey look at that I was wrong. Souls do exist.
The part in parenthesis is your responsibility.
This isn't explained, or that isn't explained is evidence of the unexplained, not the immaterial. I'm unwilling to posit dualism, or appeal to solipsism or ignorance. What we know is what can be demonstrated, end of. If you wish for your overarching spiritual truths to be taken seriously, on par with the existence of things like rocks, or human beings, then you have legwork to do. No amount of criticism leveled at materialism will change that. You want it, go get it. Magnetism was magic once upon a time, so there's hope.
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