RE: Why I'm here: a Muslim. My Philosophy in life. What is yours;Muslim?
May 26, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(May 21, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:The theory I believe is that both the Codex Vaticanus (written almost 300 years after the death of Christ) and the Codex Sinaiticus (written almost 300 years after the death of Christ) do not include the original words Jesus preached; this is the same belief I have regarding the Islamic Hadiths -with the earliest of their collections being written almost 200 years after Mohammed).(May 21, 2018 at 4:08 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The complete original Bible doesn't exist today, at least this is what I understand from this Quranic verse:
I fail to see the relevance of the verse you quote. Regardless, Mohammed implies that the Christians are in possession of the book at the time of his writing in the seventh century (see below), yet we have the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, both of which predate Mohammed's comments by two centuries, essentially demonstrating that the bible that they had in the time of Mohammed is the same bible that we have today. You aren't reasoning from the evidence but rather from dubious Muslim claims that are contradicted by the evidence.
You got my point: the Bible cannot be trusted just like the Islamic Hadiths. Jesus wasn't even around when the Codex was written.
The Quranic verses I quoted refer to this in my opinion: truth "exists" in some of their verses; but the books as a whole are not "the truth" fully. That's why the Quran was revealed, to rule over the uncertainty regarding the bible's verses.
I support my belief with this part of the verse (bold):
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
( 48 ) And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
( 49 ) And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient.
I believe that the inclinations that Mohammed is warned about in the verse are exactly what so many verses in the Bible are: it's a gray region -with truth mixed with inclinations and falsehood-.
Quote:The evidence does not support your belief. The evidence indicates that the Quran is not the word of God. Yet you choose the word of it over that of the Christians in spite of the evidence. There is no evidence that the Bible and Christians have "changed a lot" from those in the seventh century. That's just a bunch of Muslim bollocks.
It's a pattern: a person comes in with a book, then they die, their friends fight over their ranks after the leader passes away, the winner gets to re-write history and insert their own inclinations and thoughts into the original line of thoughts the original dead leader preached, they use the name of the dead leader and use their reputation to gain, soon enough the book of that original leader is not actually the same book: it is twisted now with inclinations of others.
The special thing about the Quran is that it is protected by God himself, that's the belief anyways. So I believe evidence is with me.