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My philosophy about Religion
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My philosophy about Religion
Religion is nothing but air, poisonous air that infects everything it touches. It has enslaved Humanity for thousands of years and will not stop until every human is under its control. Religion's like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, etc. have discriminated against free will and natural human behavior and enforces what it believes what is right/wrong, pure/impure, sinful, disgusting etc. Religion was created as a tool for social control, created by primitive man when they weren't the brightest in terms of intelligence. If a member of a religion breaks one of its codes of conducts, according to said religion, it will either be punished in an afterlife or if the religion is based on reincarnation, to be subjected to torment and suffering as a lower societal status (Like in Hinduism where Hindu's see people like sewage workers as being evil in their lasts lives so they throw insults and stuff at these people including small children!). How is it that Christianity, is the most followed of all three Abrahamic religions? Judaism came first, so surely the first rendition must be the true one? They all worship the same god (Yahweh, Allah, and God) but yet this god seems to tell each of these sects different stuff. So if Christianity is the right one, then that must mean the Jews and Muslims who also worship the same god will be sent to hell, then thrown into the Lake Of Fire all because they had the wrong depiction? Christianity also likes to contradict itself a lot, it says as long as you accept Jesus, repent of your sins, and try to be good as much as possible, you will go to Heaven, regardless if you committed "bad" deeds. But other texts in the Bible state that your salvation can be taken away, hypocrisy? Bible also says the condemned will be tortured in hell forever, while it also says their souls will be destroyed forever. Which one will happen? Why is the Bible not being clear? God (and other gods) also never seem to explain or justify why fire and torment is the way to deal with lawbreakers. If Hell was made for Satan and his angels, then why did God just decide to just send them there? Doesn't it defeat the purpose? He never explains why. Is there no humane way to deal with sinners? Why must fire be the only option? No alternatives? Why is God not being clear, instead just making the reader think to themselves what it could mean, not giving a clear, straight answer. Some people don't want to worry overthinking about what happens next , some just want a simple answer, not a complex, complicated one. Religion was created because ancient man saw females giving birth so they thought "Well, we must have came from them, but where is our originator?" Ancient humans of course didn't have big IQ's back then so they couldn't rationally think why we are here. So someone or some people, thought of some beings who created them (somehow) and got together to get the idea of worshiping this being or beings. People seem to think religion is why we have morals and laws, well actually its the opposite. Primitive man just felt what actions they were doing were......unpleasant, and began to feel empathy. And thus morality created religion. But the problem with religion and morality in general, is that it forces upon you to think what is "right" or "wrong" instead of thinking for yourself. If almost all religions claim to be the true one, then why do all the others exist? Why not just battle each other (A massive free-for-all but religions) to the death for supremacy? Prove each others point? Almost every religion also claims there is another life after this one, but yet they provide no evidence and retreat to their holy books as evidence or NDE's they had, when really its been scientifically proven that spiritual NDE's are a result of the brain. 

Today, Civilization is the most advanced as it is, but yet, religion still exists. Why? we are so scientifically advanced. We don't need to rely on earlier control methods, i'ts done its part, we need it no more.

Religion is about fear, was created and spread through fear, and is based on fear.
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: Religion was created as a tool for social control

Can you demonstrate that this is true? How are you defining "religion"? 

Maybe religion began as emotional ceremonies to feel connected with nature (as in Shinto). Maybe it began because someone dreamed of his dead mother and thought she was speaking to him. Maybe it began in a lot of different ways. 

Quote:How is it that Christianity, is the most followed of all three Abrahamic religions? Judaism came first, so surely the first rendition must be the true one?

Why do you think that the first version must be the true one? 

In other fields, the first version is often supplanted by later, better versions. This is how science works, for example. I'm not saying that Christianity is true or that religion is science; I'm only wondering how you can demonstrate that the first rendition is bound to be true.

Quote:Why is God not being clear, instead just making the reader think to themselves

Normally "think for yourself" is considered a good thing. What makes you think that a God wouldn't want people to think for themselves? 

In science textbooks and journalism, clarity is a good thing. Is this true in religion also? Why? 

Quote:Religion was created because ancient man saw females giving birth so they thought "Well, we must have came from them, but where is our originator?"

Are you sure about this? 

The First Cause argument as formulated by Aristotle is an attempt to overcome Zeno's Paradoxes about why motion is impossible. Do you know of someone who came up with the idea by looking at babies? 

Or perhaps what you're saying here is a kind of parable or metaphor -- in which case, why not just type it clearly instead of giving an example? 

Quote: Ancient humans of course didn't have big IQ's back then so they couldn't rationally think why we are here.

First, IQ is very questionable as a measure of intelligence. Second, there have no doubt been very intelligent people all along, though early on they didn't have the benefit of the work done by so many previous smart people. If early people weren't intelligent, we would still be grunting.

Quote:Primitive man just felt what actions they were doing were......unpleasant, and began to feel empathy.

Maybe so. But it looks as though empathy is about the easiest thing in the world to overcome. We seem to have no problem with the millions of people suffering far away from us. It looks to me as though morality is a set of principles we use when we don't feel empathy. So how would you demonstrate that morality comes from empathy? 

Quote: But the problem with religion and morality in general, is that it forces upon you to think what is "right" or "wrong" instead of thinking for yourself.

Didn't you just say that religion is bad because God doesn't tell us exactly what to think? 

And aren't you aware of the Dark Night of the Soul, and the cloud of unknowing, and the enormous religious literature about how doubt is a part of faith, and thinking people must work out how to deal with it? Have you read Kierkegaard?

Quote:Why not just battle each other (A massive free-for-all but religions) to the death for supremacy?

Because a good religion might forbid proving one's point with violence.

Quote:its been scientifically proven that spiritual NDE's are a result of the brain. 

The fact that NDEs are caused by the brain doesn't prove there is no life after death. 

Quote:Today, Civilization is the most advanced as it is, but yet, religion still exists. Why? we are so scientifically advanced. We don't need to rely on earlier control methods, i'ts done its part, we need it no more.

Does science do away with the need for religion? Does it determine morality, or tell us what a good life is? 

Does religion do anything, good or bad, that science can't? 

Quote:Religion is about fear, was created and spread through fear, and is based on fear.

Only fear? 

Have you read Plato? For him, God is reached through love. Lots of Christians say "God is love." Buddhists say they want to defeat fear. Are they all lying? 

How can you prove the truth of what you say here?
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: Religion was created as a tool for social control

Can you demonstrate that this is true? How are you defining "religion"? 

Maybe religion began as emotional ceremonies to feel connected with nature (as in Shinto). Maybe it began because someone dreamed of his dead mother and thought she was speaking to him. Maybe it began in a lot of different ways. 

Quote:How is it that Christianity, is the most followed of all three Abrahamic religions? Judaism came first, so surely the first rendition must be the true one?

Why do you think that the first version must be the true one? 

In other fields, the first version is often supplanted by later, better versions. This is how science works, for example. I'm not saying that Christianity is true or that religion is science; I'm only wondering how you can demonstrate that the first rendition is bound to be true.

Quote:Why is God not being clear, instead just making the reader think to themselves

Normally "think for yourself" is considered a good thing. What makes you think that a God wouldn't want people to think for themselves? 

In science textbooks and journalism, clarity is a good thing. Is this true in religion also? Why? 

Quote:Religion was created because ancient man saw females giving birth so they thought "Well, we must have came from them, but where is our originator?"

Are you sure about this? 

The First Cause argument as formulated by Aristotle is an attempt to overcome Zeno's Paradoxes about why motion is impossible. Do you know of someone who came up with the idea by looking at babies? 

Or perhaps what you're saying here is a kind of parable or metaphor -- in which case, why not just type it clearly instead of giving an example? 

Quote: Ancient humans of course didn't have big IQ's back then so they couldn't rationally think why we are here.

First, IQ is very questionable as a measure of intelligence. Second, there have no doubt been very intelligent people all along, though early on they didn't have the benefit of the work done by so many previous smart people. If early people weren't intelligent, we would still be grunting.

Quote:Primitive man just felt what actions they were doing were......unpleasant, and began to feel empathy.

Maybe so. But it looks as though empathy is about the easiest thing in the world to overcome. We seem to have no problem with the millions of people suffering far away from us. It looks to me as though morality is a set of principles we use when we don't feel empathy. So how would you demonstrate that morality comes from empathy? 

Quote: But the problem with religion and morality in general, is that it forces upon you to think what is "right" or "wrong" instead of thinking for yourself.

Didn't you just say that religion is bad because God doesn't tell us exactly what to think? 

And aren't you aware of the Dark Night of the Soul, and the cloud of unknowing, and the enormous religious literature about how doubt is a part of faith, and thinking people must work out how to deal with it? Have you read Kierkegaard?

Quote:Why not just battle each other (A massive free-for-all but religions) to the death for supremacy?

Because a good religion might forbid proving one's point with violence.

Quote:its been scientifically proven that spiritual NDE's are a result of the brain. 

The fact that NDEs are caused by the brain doesn't prove there is no life after death. 

Quote:Today, Civilization is the most advanced as it is, but yet, religion still exists. Why? we are so scientifically advanced. We don't need to rely on earlier control methods, i'ts done its part, we need it no more.

Does science do away with the need for religion? Does it determine morality, or tell us what a good life is? 

Does religion do anything, good or bad, that science can't? 

Quote:Religion is about fear, was created and spread through fear, and is based on fear.

Only fear? 

Have you read Plato? For him, God is reached through love. Lots of Christians say "God is love." Buddhists say they want to defeat fear. Are they all lying? 

How can you prove the truth of what you say here?

1. There is overwhelming evidence that religion is man-made; I don't wanna go look around for evidence right now because it would be a little mentally exhausting for me to look for hours on end(I have high functioning Autism), but If I were to point you in the right direction I recommended looking at YouTube channels like Theramintrees and Underlings, and other channels like these if you can find some. Religion is defined as "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." Now yes I perhaps should have thinked more about my thoughts a little more and maybe word it a little better. If religion was created to feel connected to nature, then why force it upon other members of the tribe?  Obviously they probably won't listen to you if you say to them "Don't do this because you will feel bad!" So telling them of a higher power not physically there who will retaliate against them for their choices they make after death will keep them in line. 

2. Because all three of the Abrahamic religions almost always like to pretend they are the right religions, despite the fact they worship the same god, but different versions of him. What I'm saying is, if Judaism came first, and they claim to have the true and only version of God, then why not stick with them?  if anything these religions are like a competition, a competition of who has the right and just version. 

3. Because God (and Jesus) says one thing, then says something else. "You only need faith to come to Heaven" then "You need faith and good works to come to Heaven" and then in another text "You will lose your salvation if you sin" and one last example "All sins are forgivable" then "Blasphemy can never be forgiven". Its just contradiction after contradiction and it's like the Bible can't make up its mind, which is probably why Christianity (and Judaism and Islam) have little "sub-religions" aka sects/denominations (Catholicism, Orthodox, Lutheran, Mormonism etc.) God want's his followers to agree with his viewpoints, and if a follower say converts to another religion like Buddhism or say Paganism or disagree with him entirely and dis-believes in him and creates his own morals,views etc, God will think what he/she is doing is "sinful"or "blasphemous". Clearly this god does not wish for humanity to think for themselves unless they wan't a one-way ticket to Hell! 

4. Thats just an example of the possibilities religion was created

5. Even if ancient cavemen were intelligent, they wen't intelligent enough to actually use their brains and scare their fellow man into submission with stories of super beings, now you could say religion could be considered free thinking, but religion isn't a rational and logical answer to their existence since they really didn't have any evidence their gods/spirits existed. I mean you wanna know how Zeus came to be? Because early Greeks were scared by the lightning and thought there must be a force of some sort behind it, so they thought up of some old guy in the sky who throws lightning strikes down to Earth. Same can be said for other early religions that involved lightning/thunder gods. But back then we didn't know better, we weren't really advanced in terms of scientific advancements and knowledge.

6. Empathy and sympathy=philosophical thinking=morality. It's that simple.   

7. The thing is, if you begin to doubt your religion and start to stray away from it, according to whatever scriptures it uses, it's god/gods/spirits etc will be angry if you think differently then the established guidelines and codes of conduct. Pslam 141 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." 

8. Almost all religions claim to be the true one, call the others false lies, heretics, or sometimes just not address other religions at all, acting like they are the only one. If all religions like to bicker at each other, calling each other's gods fake, then why even live together peacefully if everyone can't stop trying to enforce their beliefs, whether peacefully or aggressively. It happened almost all the time in history, the Crusades, Persia being forced from Zoroastrianism to Islam, Native American's forcefully converted to Christianity, the Scramble For Africa, the "Mission to Civilize", the Roman Empire going from ancient gods to a Christian empire, the Hasmonean dynasty converting some of the Middle East to Judaism, I could pull out many examples, but I'm going to move on here. 

9. The creation of religions that provide almost no evidence doesn't prove that there is an afterlife either. 

10. Science makes rational and logical reasons as to why a certain piece of evidence is the best guess, humans as I said earlier weren't advanced scientifically as we are today, they couldn't wait and just maybe look into other answers for why something happens. Laws do not need religion for their justification of enforcement, knowing that you wouldn't wan't to murder someone because you know how it would feel for them is good enough! 

11. God is also bipolar, he feels fine one moment (love) then he gets pissed for no reason (threats of hell, eternal damnation). Plus Christians say we must be FEARFUL of God, as can destroy "both body and soul" etc. How is that love? First off if this god loved his followers, he could have just sent Jesus first and just have all his believers under one single religion, not send different messiahs who say different things from the others which then creates confusion and leads to the pack being split up into 3. I mean for fucks sake he could have said "Hey all three of you are correct" instead of having different information being contorted about him. How is sending your "children" to hell then the lake of fire for eternity (or destroy their soul, as contradicted). How is the use of fire justified? Why must it be agony? God is like a mafia boss, stay in line, or he'll make sure to send a couple of the guys.... You might say "To set an example" When still, he could just simply just let everyone come to Heaven if they're his children, or just make a separate type of peaceful afterlife for the "sinners"
Fear comes from violence, violence leads to religion, which leads to both violence and fear. Religion was made to spread fear and keep order, when order could just simply be obtained through peaceful means, empathy. There is no need to tell tales of beings who will either reward or punish them for whatever route they take, just tell the "wrong-doer" to ask him to think about what he's doing and think hard.
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: [quote='SuicideCommando01' pid='1964691' dateline='1585439108']
Religion was created as a tool for social control

Can you demonstrate that this is true? How are you defining "religion"? 
[/quote]Experience. That is what religion does. As for a definition? Wingnuttery will do for now.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Maybe religion began as emotional ceremonies to feel connected with nature (as in Shinto). Maybe it began because someone dreamed of his dead mother and thought she was speaking to him. Maybe it began in a lot of different ways. 
Sure. Mundane ways. No god required.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:How is it that Christianity, is the most followed of all three Abrahamic religions? Judaism came first, so surely the first rendition must be the true one?

Why do you think that the first version must be the true one? 
Because it is temporally closest to the actual words of the suspiciously absent god.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: In other fields, the first version is often supplanted by later, better versions. This is how science works, for example. I'm not saying that Christianity is true or that religion is science; I'm only wondering how you can demonstrate that the first rendition is bound to be true.
Every other field responds to evidence. Theology not at all.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:Why is God not being clear, instead just making the reader think to themselves

Normally "think for yourself" is considered a good thing. What makes you think that a God wouldn't want people to think for themselves? 

In science textbooks and journalism, clarity is a good thing. Is this true in religion also? Why? 
False. Thought crime is a sin in the abrahamic religions. They want to control what you THINK. It blatantly states so in their magic books.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:Religion was created because ancient man saw females giving birth so they thought "Well, we must have came from them, but where is our originator?"

Are you sure about this? 
Pretty much.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: The First Cause argument as formulated by Aristotle is an attempt to overcome Zeno's Paradoxes about why motion is impossible. Do you know of someone who came up with the idea by looking at babies? 

Or perhaps what you're saying here is a kind of parable or metaphor -- in which case, why not just type it clearly instead of giving an example? 
You really are obsessed with Aristotle as though all thougt ended there, aren't you? Anything in service to your god.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote: Ancient humans of course didn't have big IQ's back then so they couldn't rationally think why we are here.
First, IQ is very questionable as a measure of intelligence. Second, there have no doubt been very intelligent people all along, though early on they didn't have the benefit of the work done by so many previous smart people. If early people weren't intelligent, we would still be grunting.
Oh great. You got something right. Humans 6000 years ago were every bit as intelligent as we are, else we would not be where we are. Good for you. What is interesting is that you totally ignored the body of accumulated knowledge over the millenia.

[quote='Belacqua' pid='1964702' dateline='1585444461']
Quote:Primitive man just felt what actions they were doing were......unpleasant, and began to feel empathy.

Maybe so. But it looks as though empathy is about the easiest thing in the world to overcome. We seem to have no problem with the millions of people suffering far away from us. It looks to me as though morality is a set of principles we use when we don't feel empathy. So how would you demonstrate that morality comes from empathy? 
Both of you have no clue as to the origins of empathy. But science does. Stop pretending that both of you have knowledge you do not.


(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote: But the problem with religion and morality in general, is that it forces upon you to think what is "right" or "wrong" instead of thinking for yourself.

Didn't you just say that religion is bad because God doesn't tell us exactly what to think? 

And aren't you aware of the Dark Night of the Soul, and the cloud of unknowing, and the enormous religious literature about how doubt is a part of faith, and thinking people must work out how to deal with it? Have you read Kierkegaard?
Bloody hell. You really want god to be true at all cost.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:Why not just battle each other (A massive free-for-all but religions) to the death for supremacy?

Because a good religion might forbid proving one's point with violence.
Sure. But it one examines that then one finds that the religions promoting that are not YOUR religion. How does that make you feel?

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:its been scientifically proven that spiritual NDE's are a result of the brain. 

The fact that NDEs are caused by the brain doesn't prove there is no life after death. 
Correct. It proves that NDE's are not proof of an afterlife. Well done for adding 2+2 and getting four.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:Today, Civilization is the most advanced as it is, but yet, religion still exists. Why? we are so scientifically advanced. We don't need to rely on earlier control methods, i'ts done its part, we need it no more.

Does science do away with the need for religion?
Yes.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Does it determine morality,
Yes.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: or tell us what a good life is?
Yes. 

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Does religion do anything, good or bad, that science can't?
Well, religion willfully causes harm for no reason.  

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
Quote:Religion is about fear, was created and spread through fear, and is based on fear.

Only fear? 
Yes. It is blatantly using fear of an imaginary reward/punishment.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Have you read Plato? For him, God is reached through love. Lots of Christians say "God is love." Buddhists say they want to defeat fear. Are they all lying? 
Pretty much. And it is amusing that you continue to tout Plato and Aristotle as though no other thought had happened since.

(March 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm)Belacqua Wrote: How can you prove the truth of what you say here?
Evidence. That thing that you avoid because you have none.
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 29, 2020 at 3:09 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Maybe so. But it looks as though empathy is about the easiest thing in the world to overcome. We seem to have no problem with the millions of people suffering far away from us. It looks to me as though morality is a set of principles we use when we don't feel empathy. So how would you demonstrate that morality comes from empathy? 
Both of you have no clue as to the origins of empathy. But science does. Stop pretending that both of you have knowledge you do not.


[/quote]
Evidence. That thing that you avoid because you have none.
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Hey man you made me regain my senses, i was just thinking of a possiblity, nobody really knows when morality started.
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#6
RE: My philosophy about Religion
Did the smile on a dog convince you to refer to the cereal box talk?
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RE: My philosophy about Religion


Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
Humans can do just fine on their own. There may have been a place for religion in the past but it is no longer necessary.

And if people around me want to dabble in it, I wish they'd keep it to themselves and out of politics/state.

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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 29, 2020 at 3:21 pm)no one Wrote: Did the smile on a dog convince you to refer to the cereal box talk?

How very new Bohemian of you. Wink

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: My philosophy about Religion
(March 29, 2020 at 2:38 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: There is overwhelming evidence that religion is man-made; 

Well, sure. That seems pretty obvious. But what you claimed was that "Religion was created as a tool for social control." And that's a big claim. I'm just curious as to how you demonstrate that it's so.

Quote:I don't wanna go look around for evidence right now because it would be a little mentally exhausting for me to look for hours on end

It seems to me that if you want to discuss your views here, instead of just having everyone blindly accept them, then giving reasons and listening to other people's reasons would be part of the discussion. If you're not interested in supporting your claims then I don't see how discussion is possible. 

But if it's too tiring I understand.

Quote:but If I were to point you in the right direction I recommended looking at YouTube channels like Theramintrees and Underlings, and other channels like these if you can find some.

I'd rather discuss it with you, rather than look at a bunch of videos. Again, if you're here to present your philosophy then I'll discuss it with you.

Quote:If religion was created to feel connected to nature, then why force it upon other members of the tribe?  Obviously they probably won't listen to you if you say to them "Don't do this because you will feel bad!" So telling them of a higher power not physically there who will retaliate against them for their choices they make after death will keep them in line. 

Yes, good questions. 

There is no doubt that religious justifications have been used to enforce social norms. People who are convinced they know what is best will almost always try to enforce their views on society, religious or not.

My question was: why do you think religion was created for this purpose? Is it religion's only purpose? For religions everywhere? 

Quote:What I'm saying is, if Judaism came first, and they claim to have the true and only version of God, then why not stick with them?  if anything these religions are like a competition, a competition of who has the right and just version. 

The history of how Christianity split from Judaism is an interesting story. The Christians disagreed with the Jews, and made arguments. 

One version is that Judaism relies too heavily on the 613 commandments, which enable them to conform to the letter of the law but not the spirit. Christians say that Jesus wanted us to change this into one big law ("love everybody as yourself") which is written not in scripture but in the heart. This was a more difficult demand, because it requires everyone to think for himself about what is best in a given situation. Obviously Jews see it differently. 

But if you really want to know why the different religions disagree with each other, there is a great deal you can read on the subject.

Quote:3. Because God (and Jesus) says one thing, then says something else. "You only need faith to come to Heaven" then "You need faith and good works to come to Heaven" and then in another text "You will lose your salvation if you sin" and one last example "All sins are forgivable" then "Blasphemy can never be forgiven". Its just contradiction after contradiction and it's like the Bible can't make up its mind, which is probably why Christianity (and Judaism and Islam) have little "sub-religions" aka sects/denominations (Catholicism, Orthodox, Lutheran, Mormonism etc.) God want's his followers to agree with his viewpoints, and if a follower say converts to another religion like Buddhism or say Paganism or disagree with him entirely and dis-believes in him and creates his own morals,views etc, God will think what he/she is doing is "sinful"or "blasphemous". Clearly this god does not wish for humanity to think for themselves unless they wan't a one-way ticket to Hell! 

Many Christians say that exactly the opposite is true: that different parts of the Bible that are hard to reconcile precisely because one written text cannot cover every possible case. By providing a variety of different parables and directions, each believer is challenged to decide for himself what is best in a given case. 

So what you say is "clearly" is not so clear to many people. 

Quote:4. Thats just an example of the possibilities religion was created

An imaginary possibility, but not one that can be supported with evidence. 

Quote:5. Even if ancient cavemen were intelligent, they wen't intelligent enough to actually use their brains and scare their fellow man into submission with stories of super beings, now you could say religion could be considered free thinking, but religion isn't a rational and logical answer to their existence since they really didn't have any evidence their gods/spirits existed.

As you say, people didn't know as much science back then. To people at the time, these answers seemed reasonable and logical. 

Quote:I mean you wanna know how Zeus came to be? Because early Greeks were scared by the lightning and thought there must be a force of some sort behind it, so they thought up of some old guy in the sky who throws lightning strikes down to Earth. Same can be said for other early religions that involved lightning/thunder gods. But back then we didn't know better, we weren't really advanced in terms of scientific advancements and knowledge.

This may be so for some gods. How do you prove it? Are there historical sources? Or is this a just-so story that seems right to you? I mean, it wouldn't do to invent imaginary origin myths that seem reasonable and logical if we don't really know. Especially when you're criticizing earlier people for doing exactly that.

Also I don't agree with you that our more advanced science can solve questions traditionally addressed by religion. Science can tell us how to pursue our goals more efficiently, but not what goals are good to pursue.

Quote:6. Empathy and sympathy=philosophical thinking=morality. It's that simple.   

It's not that simple. It may seem simple to you, but you haven't provided any evidence or argument as for why anyone else should believe it. 

Again, are you just wanting us to agree with your unsupported assertions? Because if you just want to repeat them I won't bother you.

Quote:7. The thing is, if you begin to doubt your religion and start to stray away from it, according to whatever scriptures it uses, it's god/gods/spirits etc will be angry if you think differently then the established guidelines and codes of conduct. Pslam 141 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." 

Boy, you're just like a TV  evangelist, cherry-picking scripture to prove a point! There is a huge body of religious literature about doubt, and many cases in history of religious people who thought for themselves and departed from their religion's orthodoxy. Sometimes they spoke out, and sometimes they didn't. 

Quote:Laws do not need religion for their justification of enforcement, knowing that you wouldn't wan't to murder someone because you know how it would feel for them is good enough!

It's true that laws don't require religion.

But empathy is certainly not sufficient. There are many more arguments for morality than just empathy.

But if you have an argument as to why in fact laws come from empathy (rather than just an assertion) I'm curious to read it.

Quote:11. God is also bipolar, he feels fine one moment (love) then he gets pissed for no reason (threats of hell, eternal damnation). Plus Christians say we must be FEARFUL of God, as can destroy "both body and soul" etc. How is that love? 

This is true according to Bible literalists, and naive popular religion. 

Any theologian you can name, from Anselm to Buber, does not agree. For them, God is impassible, is incapable of getting angry, etc. 

If you want to limit your criticism to the naive literalists you'll have more success. But what you say is not true of more educated Christians or Jews. 

Quote:Fear comes from violence, violence leads to religion, which leads to both violence and fear. Religion was made to spread fear and keep order, when order could just simply be obtained through peaceful means, empathy. There is no need to tell tales of beings who will either reward or punish them for whatever route they take, just tell the "wrong-doer" to ask him to think about what he's doing and think hard.

Again, this sounds like a creation myth. No doubt it seems reasonable to you, but I think you're oversimplifying. And I think your dislike of religion may be causing you to cherry-pick reasons, when lots of others are possible. 

Again, if you have some arguments beyond assertions I'd be interested in reading them.
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