(September 8, 2011 at 6:36 pm)Chuck Wrote:(September 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm)Fred Wrote: I had a dream about a pony last night.
Can my pony dream be objectively proven?
In principle, yes, whether you had a dream about a pony last night can be proven or disproven.
Your dream is an artifact of your nerological activity.
Your perception of a pony is also an artifact of your neurological activity.
That's two artifacts right there. They come from physical activity. Check.
Quote:And no, whether it is proven that you dreamed a pony, we can prove a dreamt pony lack all attributes of physical existence.
If my dreamt pony doesn't have physical existence, then my pony doesn't exist.
I have two artifacts of physical activity coming up with "nothing." Where's my fucking pony Chuck? I just saw the damn thing last night.
You are saying that the physical produces two "artifacts," my dream and my perception. That's all physical. They, to hear you tell it, produced nothing. Somehow a physical process produces artifacts that produce "nothing," and yet out pops a pony that doesn't exist because it lacks all attributes of physical existence.
No, I'm not following that either, but that's the road you just walked down.
Nobody questioned the possibility of my having a dream about a pony because they've all had dreams and know what a pony is. Given a TF test as to whether it was possible to have a dream of a pony, you'd all insist the answer was T because everybody knows the drill about dreams and ponies.
But if pressed, not a single one of you can produce the smallest iota of objective proof that a dream pony exists, because, as you explained so well, it doesn't.
Hmm. People insisting to the possibility of the existence of something that cannot be objectively proven insisting that if something cannot be proven objectively it does not exist.
Something is wrong with this pony picture.
The evidence claim of materialism is broken and nobody at all plays by it's rules in their own existence, yet they claim it is the ultimate arbiter of what is really real.
Yet I'm the crazy one.
Quote:BTW, dreaming of pony? Are you gay or something?
Yo, Chuck. I just got here, dude. You don't even know me, and it's pretty fucking rude to hit on me right out of the box. Chill.
