RE: The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself
May 29, 2018 at 12:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2018 at 12:35 pm by Drich.)
(May 29, 2018 at 11:08 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 29, 2018 at 11:00 am)Drich Wrote: If you never heard God speak how could you know if and when He does? do you have a picture of a burning bush or the clouds parting for you? if they did then your version of God would be doing the talking which amounts to little more than talking to yourself. Now if God is real and is His own being who's to say He does not have an account here? but because you do not recognise His words, you have no way identifying Him as God.
This simply leads into a circular argument.
lazy diagnosis. i provide method of validation and verification. circular argument rely on unverified conjecture to vet a statement.
(May 29, 2018 at 11:58 am)Khemikal Wrote: I read that OP title an entirely different way...amusingly, it seems true regardless. Believers tell us that their god this or thats..not realizing that they are describing themselves. In that way, they know god better than they know themselves.
Tell me what god hates, and I know what you hate. Tell me what heaven is like..and I see what;s missing in your life. Tell me who;s hellbound, and I know who you feel has slighted you.
Quote:Tell me what god hates, and I know what you hate.God hates all sin
I have no problem with sin, I am of sin I am from sin I serve sin still, as do we all if we can be honest.. I hate evil and evil people which is not the same, but God hates them as well.
Quote:Tell me what heaven is like..and I see what;s missing in your life.Heaven scare me. It is going to be eternal service or a place where I have no currency/am no longer needed.
Quote:Tell me who;s hellbound, and I know who you feel has slighted you.we all are...
Now then sport I'm calling in your deductive ablity..
Who do I hate.
who do I like?
What is missing in my life?
who has slighted me?
The only think clear here is you nor the OP has any clue to the actual nature of Christianity/god heaven or Hell. your's is a broken understanding caught between the catholic church and islam/wish making.
We can't hate and enter Heaven. as If God can forgive you, you must forgive/not hate anyone else.
It does not matter who or what we like as Christ Himself said many on that day will call out to me lord lord and I will say to them away from me you evil doers. Again and again only Jesus decides who is and is not Christian. our likes have nothing to do with it.
Heaven is not where the followers of Christ will dewell Heaven and the Holy City are reserved for God and his chosen elect. the rest live on a 'new earth' (which gives some credence to my alien theory) on this 'new earth' you will have a job to do. you are confusing christianity with the paradise of islam. Paradise was the garden, and that was destroyed for ever. We get a new heaven and a new earth. that's it.
Again can't enter heaven if you feel slighted. as you 'slighte' God to a much greater degree. and if he can for give you. then in turn you are commanded to forgive the lessor offense.
None of this is me. I want or expect the same BS you do. I'm not one to hold a grudge but if and when I do I have very very good reason to do so and in turn should not be commanded to let it go.
I also feel we should move into a paradise version of Heaven, but that is not what the bible describes.
Again I want the same BS most people want, but that is NOT what the bible describes.
(May 29, 2018 at 12:10 pm)Kit Wrote:(May 29, 2018 at 11:00 am)Drich Wrote:
So many ifs.
I've never considered if to be a proper incentive to forego with reason for faith.
Sorry sport there is only 1 if... and that is what "IF" you are wrong, and what I experienced with my own life is correct. But I guess when one's mind is tightly shut one if is one too many.