(June 4, 2018 at 4:53 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:(June 4, 2018 at 4:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am human foremost, and all the shame non-mentally ill person would feel at the idea of it, I feel I should do....It's much easier to tell someone to seek strength, or clarity or whatever, then to actually help them do it. That's what treatment is for.
In fact, I know the nature of my madness in particular better then anyone else but God and his witnesses/guides that are doors of light out the darkness.
I don't need people to imagine guilt for themselves if they think of the idea, but make excuses for me. I want people to say, if weak gain strength, if lost, then find yourself, if confused, the seek clarity, if sad then seek happiness, if disappointed then seek achievement, etc...
I don't want people being confused by a label and wondering what kind of creature I am. I want them to look at me with the same human eyes they look at themselves.
If this makes me judgemental to people with my illness then so be it.
If you say shame helped you, I don't know, if you say so I guess?
I think treatment would've help a whole lot more.
For the record, I have never thought you're a bad guy or anything. I'm sure I disagree with you on a lot of things, and most of those things I feel likely are based on religious belief. But I believed some things that I now think are pretty odious moral opinions.
I think you want to do good, and I'm not always sure that's something you can say about everybody.
I've seen people rely on the Mental Health system only to wither away their strength and resolve over time, and despair.
I go to the Royal Ottawa Mental Health Centre regularly. If I didn't have distrust of secular authority, I assure, the harm of it would have been greater then the benefit.
It's only because I take from them what benefits me and information that benefits me, and I regularly use to play sports there, and go to other recreational activities, but my greatest asset, is that I didn't believe everything they told me.
I've seen people who even rely on them to tell them what is delusional thinking and what is not, and what is possible to perceive and what not, and what kind of beliefs are normal and what are not, and almost ends up being that beliefs humans all believed for centuries and most still believe today are like delusional beliefs, and what Athiests or Deists who don't believe in much supernatural stuff type, are the normal beliefs.
I am lucky I have a doctor who doesn't do this to me. Other doctors tell people things that over 90% humanity believes are delusional thinking.
I think that is extreme secular view and it causes many people with my illness to distrust the whole system and not even trust in medications helping them.
I wrote an essay about the topic of religion and mental health dialogue to my doctor. I will see what he says about it when I meet him on June 26th.
I believe God made the center of the battle between good and evil, truth and falsehood, the issue of mentally ill people and the way to the cure....In fact, I don't want to digress to the details....
But there will be a huge intellectually battle that will ensue on this I guarantee it will happen.
Right now the mental health dialogue is not a dialogue, it's a monologue....where one side is just being presented as judgmental assholes with no compassion.
Just look for the dialogue when it happens, monologue is never a healthy way to reach a conclusion for any society.