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The witness argument (yet again, I know, I know)
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RE: The witness argument (yet again, I know, I know)
Quote:Did not do so here.
Actually, you did:
'I believe personally the strongest proof when it comes to God, is that his witnessing reality to all things,' (emphasis mine)

Quote:Our sense of personhood and the facts we know from it are part of the argument. Whether people actually want to go so far and say they don't actually exist, it's up to them.


I don't think anyone is claiming that a sense of personhood and the concomitant facts don't exist.  What is at issue is the source of the sense or feeling of being a person.

Quote:That is a fact whether the source is a physical thing or not, personhood is an idea experienced.... 



Correct me if I'm taking you wrongly, but you seem to be saying that ideas are not physical things.  How do you know?

Quote:Who we are is an idea. What we are can be both physical and idea, but who we are is not the physical body. 



I agree that what makes me 'me' isn't my physical form, but that in no way establishes that personal identity is non-physical.

Quote:It's in the naturalism paradigm a program idea created from the brain.



And programs are physical in nature. 

Quote:But the other things we know like we don't fully know ourselves, yet,


Agreed.

Quote:we accurately exist




Not sure what you mean by 'accurately exist'.

Quote:and the knowledge only an absolute perfect judge can judge our actions and maintain perfect inheritance of our actions and value us accurately, is part of the argument.



Again, you're assuming what you wish to prove.  How do you know this?  Not why do you believe it, not why does it make sense to you - how do you know it?

Quote:It doesn't assume it's the source, it's realization with the other facts, that we know it's the source.


But not all of your facts are facts.  They are either suppositions or wish-thinking.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: The witness argument (yet again, I know, I know) - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 10, 2018 at 6:39 pm

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