assisted suicide vs suicide prevention

[Amarok]

1) I think suicide is wrong morally, it's a selfish act that hurts people around you, which is not a moral thing to do, neither is it moral to take your life while not terminally ill or something similar.
2) But you just said below you don't consider suicide wrong so this is kind of self-refuting here to say that you don't think it's moral to tell them suicide is okay...

They have the right, doesn't mean it was right to do or told it's a privilege. The people around them friends/family who knew before hand that did nothing I feel hold some responsibility, but ultimately it's on the person who did it. I'm not saying condoning this is an actual legal crime, but to me it's immoral to do nothing, if that makes sense. An extreme example is if you tell someone to kill themselves online, you can be charged with a crime if they do it.

Also thanks for the welcome, good to meet ya.

Below is an actual suicide note from someone. It doesn't appear that this woman's motivations were selfish. Not everyone's situation is simple and open to such generalized moral judgments.

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Dear David,
After six weeks of streptomycin shots and a total of eleven weeks of rest in bed we have conclusive proof that the ulcers in my bronchial tubes have not healed. The short period of the streptomycin inhalations could not have brought on the results if the ulceration had even partially healed. To try further would mean many more months of bed rest — more shots and inhalations — I can’t remain at the hospital for the winter months and a prolonged stay at a rest home is out of the question. I did some figuring — the weekly rate there — the amount of streptomycin for shots and inhalations plus the doctor’s weekly visits would total to over $200 a week — I can’t bleed my family for any such amount of money, and that means that as soon as the money I have in my checking account runs out I would have to return home — back to the same conditions which caused me to go downhill so steadily. It’s a vicious circle from which there seems no escape. I could of course use up the money from the sale of our furnishings and silver as well as some I put aside for the furnishing of our home — but all it put together would be like a drop ion the bucket — besides I am now convinced that my condition is too chronic and therefore a cure doubtful.

All of a sudden all will and determination to fight on has left me. I have long ago prepared myself for the time when I reached the end of the trail. I feel calm and at peace and grateful that I can go to sleep painlessly. I feel justified in terminating a life which no longer holds any hope of having the essentials which make it worth living — I did desperately want to get well — I still had much to live for — hope for recovery — hope of a reunion with the children — work which I loved and which could have given me financial security and great satisfaction. But it was not to be — I am defeated and exhausted physically and emotionally.

Please tell the children that I loved them always and that my love has never faltered. I grieve that I could not have had the joy of being close to our babies, but that is no one’s fault. Thank God they are well — with my passing all menace to their wellbeing will have disappeared.

I want you to know that I have a deep affection for you. I am deeply grateful for all your kindness. I wish I could have made a happier life for you. It was mostly my fault, please forgive me.

Please write to Fran and Tony and to Marilyn and Jim and tell them that my love and gratitude could not possibly be put into words. Their generosity, devotion, love and tact made it possible for me to accept their financial help over a long period of time. I wish with all my heart that they might have been better rewarded — All of you, my dear ones, I ask to keep my memory alive in your hearts — To live on in the hearts of our dear ones is all that I can conceive of immortality. Please think of me kindly. Remember that which was good and lovely in our relationship and forgive me for the many mistakes I have made. Now that it is all said I feel at peace.

I want Dr. B. to officiate at my funeral. I think Joe would like to have him with him at that time.

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https://theholydark.wordpress.com/2012/0...ide-notes/

Vul stop you might actually make him see moral ambiguity

And agree it not always selfish it depends on the situation