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Americans on Facts and Opinions
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RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions
(June 20, 2018 at 8:47 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(June 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: ISTR, it's the fourteenth amendment which forced the matter.  Nope.  My bad.  Wrong case.

The 14th Amendment explicitly applies to "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." If they're considered here illegally, they haven't been naturalized. I'm sure we do have protections to immigrants (legal and illegal), but I don't think they're explicitly in the Constitution. At best, they're a result of Supreme Court decisions, which, as I mentioned earlier, are as much down to the pre-existing biases and prejudices (for good or for bad) of the judges themselves as they are to the Constitution. Like it or not, the Supreme Court's interpretations of the Constitution hinge on exactly that: interpretations.

After doing some reading, it appears that some support comes from the Equal Protection clause of the fourteenth.

Quote:Persons "within its jurisdiction" are entitled to equal protection from a state. Largely because the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV has from the beginning guaranteed the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states, the Supreme Court has rarely construed the phrase "within its jurisdiction" in relation to natural persons. In Plyler v. Doe (1982), where the Court held that aliens illegally present in a state are within its jurisdiction and may thus raise equal protection claims the Court explicated the meaning of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" as follows: "[U]se of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" confirms the understanding that the Fourteenth Amendment's protection extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State's territory." The Court reached this understanding among other things from Senator Howard, a member of the Joint Committee of Fifteen, and the floor manager of the amendment in the Senate. Senator Howard was explicit about the broad objectives of the Fourteenth Amendment and the intention to make its provisions applicable to all who "may happen to be" within the jurisdiction of a state:

Quote:The last two clauses of the first section of the amendment disable a State from depriving not merely a citizen of the United States, but any person, whoever he may be, of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or from denying to him the equal protection of the laws of the State. This abolishes all class legislation in the States and does away with the injustice of subjecting one caste of persons to a code not applicable to another. ... It will, if adopted by the States, forever disable every one of them from passing laws trenching upon those fundamental rights and privileges which pertain to citizens of the United States, and to all person who may happen to be within their jurisdiction. [emphasis added by the U.S. Supreme Court]

The relationship between the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments was addressed by Justice Field in Wong Wing v. United States (1896). He observed with respect to the phrase "within its jurisdiction": "The term 'person,' used in the Fifth Amendment, is broad enough to include any and every human being within the jurisdiction of the republic. A resident, alien born, is entitled to the same protection under the laws that a citizen is entitled to. He owes obedience to the laws of the country in which he is domiciled, and, as a consequence, he is entitled to the equal protection of those laws. ... The contention that persons within the territorial jurisdiction of this republic might be beyond the protection of the law was heard with pain on the argument at the bar—in face of the great constitutional amendment which declares that no State shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Wikipedia || Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
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Americans on Facts and Opinions - by brewer - June 20, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by paulpablo - June 20, 2018 at 12:53 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by brewer - June 20, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by polymath257 - June 20, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by CapnAwesome - June 20, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by zebo-the-fat - June 20, 2018 at 2:40 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Pat Mustard - June 20, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by CapnAwesome - June 20, 2018 at 6:08 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by henryp - June 20, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by zebo-the-fat - June 20, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 2:06 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by henryp - June 20, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by paulpablo - June 20, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by RoadRunner79 - June 20, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by henryp - June 20, 2018 at 2:40 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Angrboda - June 20, 2018 at 4:31 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Amarok - June 20, 2018 at 5:00 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by brewer - June 20, 2018 at 5:04 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Silver - June 20, 2018 at 5:08 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Little lunch - June 20, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Rev. Rye - June 20, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Angrboda - June 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by chimp3 - June 20, 2018 at 8:33 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Rev. Rye - June 20, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Angrboda - June 20, 2018 at 9:13 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Rev. Rye - June 20, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 10:53 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Rev. Rye - June 20, 2018 at 11:19 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 11:34 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Fireball - June 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm
RE: Americans on Facts and Opinions - by Rev. Rye - June 20, 2018 at 11:54 pm

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