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A Book?
RE: A Book?
(May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(May 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Why should God be given special treatment over the FSM?

EvF

You make the leap before you can walk. You need to dump evidence and science to consider this subject you're interested in.

Answer the question? Why is your god more plausible than the FSM?


(May 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote: fr0d0, why are you christian?

By that i also mean why do you not believe in zeus, apollo, vishnu etc...

(May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because I reasoned that the leap of faith would be worthwhile based on observations in the bible that applied to my own life.

Any chance you'll share these observations?

(May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I considered many other sensible alternatives
But the insensible alternatives are just as plausible as the sensible ones (how did you decide which was which?)

(May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: For the bible to be true other faiths become illogical. It's a rational choice.

I agree with your first statement. If the bible were true, then any book, person etc, claiming something in contradiction to the bible must be wrong.
However, we know that bible isn't all true (the sun doesnt orbit the earth for example), so at best it's a combination of truth, metaphor and misunderstandings.
But, there's absolutley no way to discern between what's true and what isn't (apart from the things we know for fact aren't) without choosing arbitrarily. Which I'm sure you'll agree, isn't rational.
The final option is that it is all metaphor. But then, how can you ascribe any truth value to anything in it? That would be irrational.

So I fail to see how the conclusion that the bible is true could possibly be rational.
Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
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A Book? - by g-mark - May 4, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: A Book? - by leo-rcc - May 4, 2009 at 5:51 am
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RE: A Book? - by leo-rcc - May 4, 2009 at 5:57 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: A Book? - by Dotard - May 4, 2009 at 7:09 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 4, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 7:53 am
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2009 at 6:17 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 5, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: A Book? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 5, 2009 at 2:17 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2009 at 3:25 pm
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: A Book? - by Tiberius - May 5, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 5, 2009 at 4:36 pm
RE: A Book? - by Tiberius - May 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2009 at 4:48 pm
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RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 5, 2009 at 4:58 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 6, 2009 at 1:10 am
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RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 7, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 7, 2009 at 3:52 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 8, 2009 at 9:18 am
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 8, 2009 at 2:10 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 8, 2009 at 9:45 am
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 9, 2009 at 1:15 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm
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RE: A Book? - by Ace Otana - May 9, 2009 at 6:20 pm
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RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 3:36 am
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 13, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 10, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 9:48 am
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RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 10, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 10, 2009 at 11:12 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 10, 2009 at 11:18 am
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 12:08 pm
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 10, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 2:23 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 3:14 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 5:43 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 6:17 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 10, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 8:55 am
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RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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RE: A Book? - by Ace Otana - May 11, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm
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RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 11, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 12, 2009 at 10:28 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 12, 2009 at 10:52 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 12, 2009 at 10:54 am
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RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 13, 2009 at 9:04 am
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RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 13, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: A Book? - by Tiberius - May 13, 2009 at 11:10 am
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RE: A Book? - by Tiberius - May 17, 2009 at 8:50 am
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RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 13, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 1:35 pm
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RE: A Book? - by leo-rcc - May 15, 2009 at 10:48 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 1:06 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2009 at 2:10 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 15, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 16, 2009 at 3:03 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 16, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 16, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 5:57 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 8:47 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 9:04 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 18, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: A Book? - by Tiberius - May 18, 2009 at 6:49 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 18, 2009 at 7:53 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 8:31 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 18, 2009 at 10:17 am
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 18, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 10:46 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 18, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 11:08 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 3:35 am
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 19, 2009 at 5:51 am
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 1:54 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 19, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 19, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 19, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 19, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 19, 2009 at 5:57 am
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 19, 2009 at 6:33 am
RE: A Book? - by Giff - May 19, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 19, 2009 at 10:51 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 19, 2009 at 11:26 am
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 19, 2009 at 11:46 am
RE: A Book? - by chatpilot - May 19, 2009 at 11:55 am
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 19, 2009 at 2:54 pm
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 20, 2009 at 11:00 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 20, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 1:07 pm
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 20, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 20, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: A Book? - by Darwinian - May 20, 2009 at 1:33 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 20, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 20, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 20, 2009 at 8:50 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 7:14 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 21, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 7:42 pm
RE: A Book? - by lilphil1989 - May 22, 2009 at 6:05 am
RE: A Book? - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: A Book? - by Kyuuketsuki - May 21, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 21, 2009 at 8:02 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 8:09 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 21, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 8:17 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 21, 2009 at 8:18 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 8:22 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 21, 2009 at 8:26 pm
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: A Book? - by fr0d0 - May 22, 2009 at 3:34 am
RE: A Book? - by Edwardo Piet - May 22, 2009 at 10:37 am
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