(July 13, 2018 at 1:30 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(July 13, 2018 at 10:17 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: It would help the case of religious people if they could make a rational argument for the immorality of gay sex. But they can't do that. That's why it's bigoted.
I don't think that you rationalize to morality. You may have to rationalize from moral principles for something which is a little different. But I don't think that you get to those principles through logic. How do you rationalize that it is wrong to kill others. At best you may take a pragmatic approach, but a pragmatic approach, but being pragmatical doesn't necessarily make it moral or immoral. Otherwise your not saying that it is right or wrong, but efficient. As well, the question doesn't even make sense in a subjective view of morality.
At a certain level, I agree. Logic alone doesn't say anything about morality. Nor does it say anything about hte other aspects of the real world. So, to discover things about the real world, you have to accept the uncertainty that solipsism could be the reality and go from our sensory data and scientific reasoning to see how the universe works. In the same way, for morality, we have to accept that compassion is the fundamental morality.
