RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2018 at 1:54 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(July 13, 2018 at 1:33 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(July 13, 2018 at 1:30 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that you rationalize to morality. You may have to rationalize from moral principles for something which is a little different. But I don't think that you get to those principles through logic. How do you rationalize that it is wrong to kill others. At best you may take a pragmatic approach, but a pragmatic approach, but being pragmatical doesn't necessarily make it moral or immoral. Otherwise your not saying that it is right or wrong, but efficient. As well, the question doesn't even make sense in a subjective view of morality.
At a certain level, I agree. Logic alone doesn't say anything about morality. Nor does it say anything about hte other aspects of the real world. So, to discover things about the real world, you have to accept the uncertainty that solipsism could be the reality and go from our sensory data and scientific reasoning to see how the universe works. In the same way, for morality, we have to accept that compassion is the fundamental morality.
Morality is really based on the pursuit of an subjectively determined “ought”, not the identification of an objective, to the extent objective assessment is possible and reliable, “is”.
Religion has always been a tool of deceit and browbeating for the benefit of those seeking to impose their own subjective “ought” upon others who do not agree by creating the framework to enable their particular pet “ought” to be passed off as an “is”
(July 13, 2018 at 1:37 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 13, 2018 at 1:26 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Yes, actually, it does mean that it is unreasoned and bigoted. If your religion says that it is wrong for two men to love each other and be sexual or two women to love each other and be sexual, then it is your religion that is wrong. it really is that simple.
Second, beliefs cannot be bigoted, only people.
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I believe Christians are children of a lesser and immoral god and are therefore only fit to be worked to death as quickly as possible doing the most menial of tasks.
I am a perfectly fine and unbigoted human being since I act only out of beliefs that can not be bigoted.
