"Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham

[SteveII]

Where do you get that? You couldn't be more wrong. Marriage predates government in every culture--ever. 


Again, you are making things up. Yes, in certain cultures homosexual relationships was acceptable--but I don't recall that it was ever called marriage. Every culture in the world, ever, had the concept of marriage. 


Yes, it very much a fact that it is a change in definition. 

This is very interesting. Post after post after post, you atheists continue to prove that you don't understand the main Christian position while trying to prove that you do!! Your angry echo chamber seems to be impenetrable.

Oh, we understand the Christian position. We understand that religion wants to co-opt the concept of marriage to themselves. But marriage is simply a way to form family bonds in the context of a society. Today, that is reflected in government sanction. Those bonds can be between people no matter what their gender and *have* been in many cultures. YOU want to make it specifically a religious thing based on being able to reproduce (and then make exceptions for opposite gendered couples that cannot or choose not to).

Whatever form of marriage existed before governments was simply a societal recognition of the bond between the individuals. Such bonds do NOT require opposite genders.

Whoa! "Religion wants to co-opt the concept of marriage to themselves"? You have your head in the sand. Marriage has been going on, in EVERY religious or non-religious culture for 10,000+ years defined as one thing. Now in a matter of a decade, a minority of people on the planet want to redefine it. There is no spin you can put on this. Your "religion" and "reproduce" charges are just huge straw men. Your "government" thing is total nonsense.

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Seems that allowing homosexual marriage follows from 1, 2, and 3.

Well, except for #1.