RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 16, 2018 at 12:10 pm
(July 16, 2018 at 11:15 am)Astreja Wrote:(July 16, 2018 at 9:07 am)SteveII Wrote: The belief is:
1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
Getting 'hatred' from that takes a special kind of anger.
Well, you're trying to use your beliefs on me, and disrespecting my desire to live a life free of religion. At very least you should have the courtesy to not call my sexual expression "sinful." Think it all you want, but if you have the audacity to repeatedly say it publicly where I can hear it, I am going to repeatedly call you out as a homophobic bigot.
NO. I am not trying to "use my beliefs on you". Do whatever you want. Fine, you don't want to be told you are a sinner according to another belief system. I understand that. But the fact is that that belief system exists and you must co-exist with it. Labeling everyone who tries to follow the Bible as best they can as 'hateful' just does not follow. You infer hatred using faulty logic:
1. There are people who believe in God and that the Bible is his revelation (belief is based on many different types of reasons)
2. The Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin
3. I don't believe the Bible or in the concept of sin.
4. Anyone who does is hateful.
It's a non sequitur. Of course there are bigoted people that use the cover of religion for their hatred. But the hatred does not follow from the belief. In fact one of the primary points of the entire NT is to Love your neighbor as yourself.
I feel badly that your experiences have led you to this conclusion. My whole point in getting involved in this thread was to dial back the generalizations, mischaracterizations, and straw men. We still disagree, but the angry rhetoric and demonization has to stop because it is counter-productive.
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(July 16, 2018 at 9:55 am)SteveII Wrote: Even back in whatever culture you might find a mention, the concept that it was different would still be clear. You cannot argue that traditional marriage was not one of the primary pillars of every culture. There is no argument that could be made that the few cultures that allowed open same-sex relationships viewed them on par with traditional marriage within the fabric of their society.
There is nothing wrong with changing traditions or throwing them away completely, Steve.
Perhaps. But who should change a definition older than history itself? 5 people?
