"Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham

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Steve hit the bottom and just kept going

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Of course it does not matter what gymnastics Steve ploys he's still a Bigot and his objections and beliefs are still bigoted,intolerant and regressive he can try a rationalize it till the cows come home .We have connected it as well as it can be connected his denial does not alter that .

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Let's face it, his kid would hide it from him. Imagine how much more damage that would do.

If GOD wants to tell us how to run our secular governments, I think he could manage to come tell us himself; without relying on millions of spokespersons, all with slightly different scripts. I mean, I'm sure I can find Christians who will tell me God wants gays to be allowed to marry now. And then there's other religions.

His kids would probably wind up dying of guilt

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And it is your opinion that marriage only means these things. My list is significantly longer. In addition, I have beliefs that we were made for a purpose. One of these purposes was to get married and experience this longer list. 

I really don't care what your *religious* beliefs are in this matter. The question is what the *secular* society should do.

There is no more fundamental institution than marriage to the development of all of civilization. You cannot find a comparison, let alone a comparison who's definition has changed. This line of argumentation is not just weak, it is just not valid. 

I disagree. Marriage is one of many institutions in our society that change over time as our society changes. It used to be that 'government' could only mean having one person at the top. It used to be that 'religion' was integrated into the governmental structure. Those have changed and the change is good.

The fact that my opinion is that the definition should not change CANNOT itself be deemed intolerant and so by definition, is not bigoted.

OK, if you're not a bigot, then you're just an asshole.

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It makes me look like a bigot because that has been drilled into your head that the two things are connected. It actually does not make me a bigot and you have failed over and over to make the logical connection. Definitionally, a difference of opinion does not = intolerance of an opinion.

If you take your arguments and translate them to a race-based situation, they would be labeled as bigoted immediately.

There is no difference here except in your imagination.
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I love how he's trying to frame this as a difference of opinion rather then him simply being a regressive bigot and us exposing him as such