RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 25, 2018 at 4:06 pm
(July 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 25, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Fine. Then you are arguing that an institution enforced by prejudice should be maintained because prejudice is good, n' stuff. Overruled!
What happened to the 10,000 years argument? You know Steve, if you didn't jettison portions of the argument simply because they've become inconvenient and blithely sail on to the next safe harbor, people would be more likely to believe you when you say you're not a bigoted fuckhead.
Note the bold. I'm not dropping the 10,000 year argument--that's gold.
Fine, then the equivocation charge is reinstated, as well as the charge that you're making shit up that you can't possibly know.
(July 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 25, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Wikipedia says the following about the appeal to tradition, "Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is an argument in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it is correlated with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way." ... An appeal to tradition is only a fallacious argument in itself if the argument is not developed further, for example by pointing out that the widespread acceptance of the practice means that there would be significant implications/disruption/cost involved in abandoning the tradition." It seems that at every turn, even if the discussion turned to a more substantial discussion of changing the institution as such and whether such is desirable, you've managed to turn it back toward a rather hollow 'mere' appeal to tradition. If people don't buy your argument and think you're likely a prejudiced cunt and a wanker, I think you have only yourself to blame. As presented by you, the argument from tradition is simply a non-starter.
Not making an appeal to tradition. That would apply if I was against any type of gay family structure (I'm not). An appeal to tradition does not apply to a preference to a longstanding definition--because it's not an argument--it's a matter of fact that I prefer does not change.
Fine. Then it's just your preference. Nobody gives a shit about your preference unless it rests on a rational foundation. If this is just your preference, then fuck off.