What is wrong with FW?

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@Benny: I agree, "the self" also seems like a pragmatic delusion. It's abstracting (and simplifying) the whole system to help with complex decision making. I was thinking this is where "self-awareness" comes in: where the system finds indirect ways to self-refer.

If he had no other choice..whether it was arrived at rationally or otherwise..there was no free will involved...so it seems like a strange diversion, lol.

@Rob...IDK that I;d even call it a pragmatic self delusion..does anyone actually experience it, in any sense.  Do we ever find ourselves in a situation where our brain is actually reporting to us that it has just made the proverbial decision ex nihilo?  I ask because I..personally, can't think of any report like that.  Theres a narrative of my having chosen this or that..sometimes the impetus of the decision is known..sometimes not...but never anything like a flashing mental neon sign saying "free will experienced here!!".

It may be that the subject of free will is bound up more in the way we speak about our agency in relation to other things/and the environment...and those gaps in our cognitive self surveillance.  More that... than any thing out there in the world doing things to be experienced for a fact of a matter -or- a delusion.

The label "free will" is really stupid, I agree. I was really just talking about feeling like having some agency, rather than being a combination of chemical reactions.

I see consciousness as the brain viewing its own model of reality coupled with the access to memory. The brain "feels like" it's experiencing this model, and therefor it is experiencing it. I realized there's no difference between those two statements from philosophical zombie thought experiments.