A Book?

[Edwardo Piet]

If I don't want to? It's not a case of want - except that I want the truth. And as far as I know there is no more evidence that the Bible is evidence of God than that the FSM Gospel is evidence of the FSM. There is zero evidence in both cases. So why would I believe otherwise?

I want to know the truth too. You look where you wanna look, I'll look where I wanna look. I have no interest in shoving your head into my world. You finding out by yourself is fine by me.

Fair enough. I just have no idea why you believe without any rational reasoning. If you DO have rational reasoning then that would equate to evidence so faith would be impossible because there can be no faith with evidence.

2. Why make an irrational leap (dumping evidence) to GOD rather than the FSM?

Because there's rational support from the bible to make the leap.

WHAT rational support? And if there really IS rational support then that would equate to evidence and hence cancel out the "Faith". If there is rational support from the bible - a reason to believe it is actually true - then why would you need faith? You can't anyway - you've got evidence if there's rational support to believe it's actually true so you can't have "Faith" because Faith is WITHOUT evidence.

Illogical bollocks Evie.

Why? Cos 'you say so'? I made an argument and you have no argument back...that's what it looks like to me.

As I said you can't have rational reasons to believe in the bible AND have faith in it. Because if you had rational reasons to believe in the TRUTH of it and that God therefore actually exists then that would equate to evidence and hence cancel out the faith. There's logic there. You simply say it's bollocks...

I assume that's because you have no counter argument..?

I've answered that question many many times here. You see no difference between what is empty & meaningless and what holds reason.

I do not see one answer. You simply say the Bible carries rational reasons to believe in God but I do not know of any. I know of no more evidence for the TRUTH of the Bible being evidence for "God" than the FSM Gospel being evidence for the FSM...

HOW did you answer my question? How is the Bible any different? "Because it is"? -How does that answer my question??

I didn't say "because it is". You have to want to work it out for yourself. It isn't something anyone can prove to you. That's the point. I won't mess with your mind, so you have no choice but to do it for yourself.

That's all very subjective though and everyone sees it differently. Where is the OBJECTIVE evidence for something OBJECTIVE such as God???? Where is this 'reasoning' that God actually exists that would therefore equate to evidence that you speak of? If there IS some it would cancel out your faith and I would like to know of it!! If there ISN'T any (and I of course, don't believe there is) - then you WOULD need faith TO believe but to do so would be entirely irrational because it means you are believing without reason at all. Because if you actually had rational reasons then it would count as evidence. Faith is irrational - you can't both have faith and rational reasoning to believe - because rational reasoning to believe would equate to evidence.

How about show ANY bits of it or ANY small amount of ANYTHING however tiny that is even REMOTELY evidence to believe that God actually exists?

Like I said. It's there for everyone to see Evie.

And I don't see any evidence. Or know of any reason to believe the Bible is any more evidence that the FSM gospel. If you have any 'reasoning' or evidence (which is what it would equate to if this 'reasoning' is at all rational).

If you want to just keep it to yourself then fine. But why are you here if whenever asked why you believe you keep it a secret?

What I want to know is HOW on EARTH you think the bible is reason to believe God exists or reason to believe in God on faith (without evidence (and therefore without reasons!!! Totally irrational)).

EvF