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Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
(August 29, 2018 at 10:28 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(August 29, 2018 at 6:04 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It's a bit more specific, Benny.  Not every rural white is a redneck or trailer park trash.  Hell.  I'm a redneck.  Thing is, whites aren't historically disenfranchised in any meaningful sense...that's just some ground leveling business in the normalizing effort.  People who weren't regarded -as- whites, were, constantly, but we've all congealed into a single mass nowadays..even the miscegenated ones.  lol
Whites as a group aren't disenfranchised, but a fair percentage of white individuals, especially at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale, are.  I'd say in a sense they are DOUBLY disenfranchised-- not only are they less than the average American, but they are members of a supposedly privileged group, and are not receiving any of that privilege.  That notwithstanding, they are expected to bear part of the moral responsibility for that prilivilege-- i.e. that white people have taken too much, and in too oppressive away, that they should be willing to voluntarily give
Complaining about the non-existence of white privilege and stigmitization of whites is going to work precisely the opposite way that you intend it to. It is a thing..and yes, even poor whites benefit.

Quote:I've already said that I'm not particularly proud or ashamed of being white.  That being said, I perceive a double standard, and I do not agree with a philosophical position which seeks explicitly to support it.
Strange, I don't perceive it.  I'm just as proud of my heritage as anyone else - it's an fun mix that includes confederates and native exterminators and other assorted undesirables. Hell, my living influences include a non white white supremacist, lol..I love that guy - my favorite person in the whole world, lol. Outside of his racism, he's my model for life.

Quote:See, now you're speaking my language.  If any individual feels he's being mistreated, he has a perfect right to stand up and speak, or otherwise act, on his behalf.  If he can talk others into standing with him, fucking rock on.  Every time I see another black kid shot, for example, I think "This is when every pissed off black guy with a firearm is going to storm that shitty police station and teach them what's what."  But so far, they never have.
I've always been speaking your language, as has social justice and pc.  That you think otherwise is not an effect of -our- language, it's an effect of white vicitimization propaganda.  

Quote:Yeah, you're super-opposed to racism-- ALL of it, right?  No, you are not.  You seek first to establish a moral balance-- to give back, or enable the taking back, of enough power that black people (or gay people or women) are on an equal footing in every way.  That's the PC mandate-- look at which groups are victimized, and work to bring them as nearly as possible to a true equality-- by social pressure if necessary, and by legislation if possible.
No, the pc mandate is not propagating ethnic slurs and racial myths on tv.  The social justice mandate is about equality, but not through taking anything from anyone.  The entire social justice contention is that much is being taken -from- all of us, yes, some more than others..and that this needs to stop.

Quote:I get that principle, but as I've already shown, I think much of the work of ACTUALLY restoring equality is done by careful general policies, not by differential treatment based on demographic membership.
If your house is on fire, you don't pay equal attention to watering the lawn.  

Quote:For example, we know that most people in prisons are black, and that many of those have been imprisoned unfairly.  Instead of racial sensitivity training and all that, I would recommend an independent review process that completely REMOVES race in arbitration, and looks specifically at the severity of the case, and then removing people on their own recognizance with a contract meant to encourage productivity.
Good luck with that, the racists are the arbitrators.  There is very little chance of an effective plan like that in a society where white supremacy has been normalized, and even goes unrecognized for what it is by decent people™. Prisoners don;t have a productivity problem, for the very last time. They're a never ending well of labor (and wealth).

Quote:The result should be that the majority of prisoners released are black, giving a net shift toward equality among demographics, without having to encode differential treatment predicated on membership in those demographics.
Somehow, in your mind, equality has been transformed into differential treatment.  The reason we have inequality in the first place, is due to differential treatment.  Addressing that differential treatment is not..itself, differential treatment.

..but ask yourself this..so what if it were? If one persons house is on fire and the other person needs their lawn watered.....is there something sinister or wrong in giving "differential treatment" to the person facing the fire? Ostensibly, you'd pay a little more attention to the other guy if his house was on fire as well, but it isn't..and it would be more than a little bit silly for him to field a laundry list of complaints about the unfairness of it all. Any suggestion that the best way to deal with these problems is to water the fire and the lawn equally is risable at best, and deeply fucked up at worst.
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RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this? - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2018 at 10:40 pm

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