(August 31, 2018 at 5:08 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(August 31, 2018 at 2:49 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: What’s the point of talking to someone if all you’re going to do is verbally attack? I mean, if that’s what you want to do, fine. But, don’t pretend you’re interested in actually connecting with another person while at the same time calling them names. That’s not productive dialogue. Just be forthright about it and admit that it makes you feel good inside to tell someone they’re wrong.
Respectfully speaking, I don't think that's what I was doing. I was talking about the behaviors and went out of my way to point out that I was analogizing it to delusion, not saying that it was a delusion in the medical sense. Are we not allowed to talk about the specifics of behavior because people might get all butthurt and emotional about the word? At one time, mental illness was stigmatized. Should we have avoided talking about mental illness and tried to euphemize discussion of it? I don't notice that either CL or Neo has actually responded with anything of substance about the question, aside from quoting a medical dictionary, which isn't really helpful. At bottom this is a question about human behavior, and if some people feel stigmatized over the use of the word, I suggest they get over it. It is a legitimate question and avoiding it out of risk of hurting someone's feelings is bullshit. You're doing far more to oppose open dialogue with your slanderous accusation that I'm doing it because it makes me feel good inside. That seems more an effort to insult and shut down dialogue than anything I said. (And apparently CL thinks that because I have a mental illness I'm less qualified to speak on the subject. Why I don't know as she's pissed at me and won't respond. So I'm left to guess. And the reasons I'm guessing are far more insulting than anything I've said to her in this discussion.)
Wow. I didn't get it before. Apparently this is all about the stigma of mental illness. Apparently LFC thinks because I have a mental illness then I'm a "wack-job." And according to CL, I'm somehow disqualified to speak. So all this crap about personal attacks is just embracing the fact that you all feel that people with a mental illness are somehow less than people without a mental illness. It all becomes clear now. It's you who are making the word a bad thing because you associate it with mental illness, and of course being associated with mental illness is a bad thing. Talk about double speak. I'd be offended but I don't share your negative views about the mentally ill.
(August 31, 2018 at 4:02 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I with Aroura here, though. I'm not saying that people shouldn't loudly sound off their gripes about religion here. Quite the opposite. This is an appropriate place for it. But keep in mind that CL is pretty open minded to come and discuss things like her beliefs with a majority who disagrees with her in the first place. We should be similarly open minded about her views--especially since she is respectful and courteous to us.
Oh fuck that. She's as mean as any of us here. She just uses kindness as a cover. She passive-aggressively uses derision to demean people she doesn't respect. She's offensive in her own way, you've just bought into her schtick.
(August 31, 2018 at 4:02 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Being open-minded isn't having a certain point of view, but rather being able to discuss all points of view rationally, even ones we wholeheartedly reject. We can make exceptions for people who come here spouting funhouse batshit, but CL hardly fits that description.
That's fucking funny you say that when the people not being open minded about it are CL and Neo. Yet me and Kit are getting all the shit for talking about it. I think you're confused about what's actually what here, vulcan.
Jorm, I was speaking to Kit’s posts, not yours. I haven’t even read that far back yet.
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