RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
September 1, 2018 at 10:37 am
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2018 at 10:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 1, 2018 at 10:28 am)PRJA93 Wrote: You seem to be misunderstanding things a bit. To think that just because some person believes in an inaccurate piece of information that some racists also believe in makes said person racist is quite presumptive. It probably shows a lack of critical thinking but doesn't necessarily show that someone is racist. But you seem to be dead set on this narrative as you've already gone back and forth with Benny for some time now, as Whateverist pointed out, so I doubt I'll be able to get you to see the fallacious way you're arguing your point.I've already commented - at length- on the fact that the normalizing language of white supremacy has been very effective at spreading itself beyond the confines of the overtly racist. That otherwise non racist people hear it, don't understand that they're being groomed, and unthinkingly repeat it. I've given multiple examples, linked to studies to that effect, pointed out when it's being presented in this thread and demonstrated that the specific examples were deeply misinformed.
That's the field of play, though. You can debunk some racist's bullshit from here to sunday, but all they'll do is retort "hurr dur, pc left, sjws! My rights, my rights, I'm being stigmatized, there are differences!". It's a fundamental disparity of effort, and normalization depends on it as a tactic.
Quote:But yes, I do agree we should call out racists when and where we see them. Racism is an intellectually unsound way of judging people and I have never subscribed to that. Good luck in your ongoing feud with benny, it seems neither of you are going to concede on anything any time soon.That's where you'd be wrong. I initially thought that he'd just absorbed this shit on accident through many of the outlets he's expressed interest in which have been in the business of normalization. Peterson was the match.
I've conceded, after many many pages, that I was wrong. Mostly because he decided to drop the whole "hows that racist" thing and just call himself a racist. Fine, so be it. I was wrong, and I'm not really happy about it, or happy with having defended him against that accusation earlier in thread.
Quote:The thing is, I don't really think there's any racism going on here. I think there's a serious lack of communication and possibly some inaccurate information being spread. Though as I've said before I'm not super interested in getting to the bottom of something like IQ in the different races it was just an idea that seemed relevant to the discussion that was happening. I attempted to make a point, the points been made. How you receive the point is not up to me unless I've been unclear in some way. Beyond that I don't have much more to contribute.60 pages of communication begs to differ. You're not interested in getting to the bottom of the issue of scientific racism as it relates to IQ? It is relevant, but you'd kind of have to be interested to getting to the bottom of it to make an informed comment or point.
Don't you think?
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