RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
September 10, 2018 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2018 at 12:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 10, 2018 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 10, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: The fact that we identified the hole in the ozone layer and then passed effective regulations to curtail cfcs is how we dodged that bullet.
It's difficult to imagine a worse example as a defense of climate science denial. In any case, I don't know that carbon taxes are -the- way to go, and they certainly aren't the only way to go...but it's worth mentioning that we already pay them. Remediation isn't free or cheap, nor is environmentally spurred migration.
here's the thing sport.. CFC... are heavier than air, much. In Fact if there is a leak in a container it can stay indefinitely in an open air container if the material is not blown out or the container not tipped over.
Ozone... is 15 to 30Km high
it was said when we first were made to take our freon tests it would take 75 years to drop the levels low enough to effect the ozone layer. why? because it was supposedly the chlorine which broke apart from the molecule chain which caused atmospheric saturation takes a very long time to decay in the open air. so we should technically be getting worse/hole bigger for the next 50 years.
yet the hole is gone.
Which makes some in 'science' say we have no idea why the hole is or as there and why it is seal. but if the hole is seal then there is no way for the CFC's to split if less time cause the reduced saturation let alone regeneration of the O3 layer. This is not chemically possible.
A more sensible theory has to do with solar winds.. when the sun's output is very high it bombards the earth with actual particles of solar energy which could indeed break down O3 into O2 or just O (o3 being ozone into just oxygen) but you can't tax the sun and duponte (the makers of cfc refrigerant) isn't gong to pay the government billions to make people buy the 'new stuff' because the cfc they were making patent ran out...
Oh, guess what else! the Chfc/HFC (the stuff we converted to in the 90s to save us from the CFC of the 60 70 and 80) you know the stuff we used to replaced the cfc that ate a hole in the ozone???, That 'new stuff of the 1990s patents are running out, and guess what is next on the government chopping block for bad refrigerants! YES the SAME Chfc and HFC's that saved us from the ozone hole, are now global warming/climate change contributors so we have to stop using them Just as Duponts patents and licenses agreements are expiring! and guess who use has a newer replacement?!?! That right DUPONTE!!!! Dupont's new replacement which will be good for 20+ years until those patent run out are here to save us from our own..... It just cost 10x as much!!! plus the pressures are crazy/more repair bills and home a/c system change out time cut in 1/2!! plus it is crazy toxic and some said highly flammable as it contains a high amount of natural gas.
Right, right, the universe itself is engaged in a massive conspiracy to make you look like a flaming idiot so that duponte can grind out more coin...and that's why we should do nothing in the face of this new challenge, which is fake news.
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