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Are all religions cults?
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RE: Are all religions cults?
(September 14, 2018 at 5:21 am)Kit Wrote:
(September 14, 2018 at 5:15 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I’m asking you, how you come to the conclusion that they are unrealistic?  Why should I believe your claims here?

Due to reality.
That appears to be your conclusion;  if it's also your reasons for that conclusion, then wouldn't that be begging the question?

Quote:It's not a difficult concept to perceive.

God makes no appearance, he does not speak to us from the heavens to let us know he's real, he doesn't do anything except for what "believers" claim he does.

I'm not taking the "claims" of believers over what I could be experiencing if god was real and made himself empirically known.

What you have is personal, fallible faith because you want to believe in a fantasy of god's existence over the reality that he doesn't exist.  It's fucking sad.  And we shouldn't be having this argument, except that you cannot seem to reason properly when it comes to your silly religious beliefs.

It if fucking sad.  So fucking sad.

It is the believers who are to be pitied, for they have forsaken reality for the fantasy that provides nothing except personal comfort.  A delusion that shields them from the reality that god does not exist.

How fucking sad.

So then, anything that you have not personally experienced, is delusional?   This seems a little ridiculous to me.

(September 14, 2018 at 5:27 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Do you think that shifting the burden of proof justifies your claim?  The religious person could do this as well, but I view that as fallacious reasoning. It’s another atheist delusion that theists point to no evidence for God, but if we are both just assuming our view is true, and it’s up to the other to show it as false, then we are not going to get very far.

Except it's only theists assuming that their belief is true.

I don't.... and it appears here, that a number of atheists do as well.  

Quote:Unless you are  gnostic atheist like me, then atheism is one of scepticism. The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. This has been explained to you a myriad of times before and you keep ignoring it.

And personally speaking as a gnostic atheist, it's still not the case that we are both assuming that our views are true. You may be, but my view is shaped by what we have discovered to be true because of science. The modern world would not exist if the discoveries of science were just assumed to be true. Unfortunately for you, they contradict your theist beliefs.

I agree, that there are atheists who are just skeptical and not making any claims.   However I find that many do, and then claim they do not.  If you are just skeptical, then you are not making a claim about reality, and therefore cannot claim that theists are delusional for denying that reality.  

For instance, what is it, that you claim that in science contradicts a theists view?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 4:03 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 13, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Pat Mustard - September 13, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RobbyPants - September 27, 2018 at 5:31 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 4:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 6:23 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by SaStrike - September 13, 2018 at 4:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Fake Messiah - September 13, 2018 at 5:18 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 5:44 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 13, 2018 at 6:51 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 6:58 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 7:57 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 8:20 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Chad32 - September 13, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 8:38 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 10:01 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 11:04 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by The Grand Nudger - September 13, 2018 at 7:34 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Chad32 - September 13, 2018 at 7:52 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by fromdownunder - September 13, 2018 at 8:27 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 8:59 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:12 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:44 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 13, 2018 at 9:47 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 13, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 11:35 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 11:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 4:12 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 6:09 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 6:40 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 7:15 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:10 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:16 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:27 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:41 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:51 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 2:22 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:48 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:53 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:09 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:11 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:21 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 6:24 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 6:33 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 6:38 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 6:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 7:53 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by possibletarian - September 13, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by paulpablo - September 13, 2018 at 3:23 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by vulcanlogician - September 13, 2018 at 9:29 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:54 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 7:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 14, 2018 at 9:23 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 14, 2018 at 9:37 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Sal - September 27, 2018 at 4:27 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by MysticKnight - September 29, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Reltzik - September 29, 2018 at 7:38 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2018 at 7:48 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Reltzik - September 29, 2018 at 10:26 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 30, 2018 at 1:41 am

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