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Are all religions cults?
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RE: Are all religions cults?
(September 14, 2018 at 6:55 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(September 14, 2018 at 6:38 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't see where any of that contradicts theism.

The law of thermodynamics is often used in support of it.

Wrongly though. The argument goes that life violates the second law but it does not because order is created locally at the cost of an increase of global entropy.

1) The second law of Thermodynamics means that global entropy must always increase. This means that your god cannot be eternal. What's his power source?
2) An omniscient god cannot be intelligent (plus all forms of intelligence are self organising systems subject to the laws of thermodynamics)
3) Where is your god and how far away is he? The speed of light means latency is an issue.
4) Scientists have found no mechanisms by which your god can sense and interact with the world. But you say he does, and to a significant degree as well. If this was true, the physical mechanisms would have been discovered by now (and also exploited).

So you seem to be treating a non-physical thing, like a physical thing.   This would be a category error.

However
1.  God is the source and sustainer of all things and is not contingent on anything else.    Wouldn't this also apply to the physical universe as well.   It seems that your argument here, needs a prime mover, something like God to be the first cause. 

2. This is going to depend on what you mean by intelligence.

3.  God is omnipresent.  So how is the speed of light an issue?


4.  This argument appears to assume that everything that exists is known to scientists, and that which they have not found does not exist.   What are we paying them for then?  And if you are claiming scientists are omniscient, then I would refer you back to your point 2, and ask that you support this claim.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 4:03 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 13, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Pat Mustard - September 13, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RobbyPants - September 27, 2018 at 5:31 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 4:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 6:23 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by SaStrike - September 13, 2018 at 4:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Fake Messiah - September 13, 2018 at 5:18 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 5:44 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 13, 2018 at 6:51 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 6:58 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 7:57 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 8:20 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Chad32 - September 13, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 8:38 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 10:01 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 11:04 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by The Grand Nudger - September 13, 2018 at 7:34 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Chad32 - September 13, 2018 at 7:52 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by fromdownunder - September 13, 2018 at 8:27 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 8:59 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:12 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:44 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 13, 2018 at 9:47 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 9:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 13, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 11:35 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 11:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 4:12 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 6:09 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 6:40 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 7:15 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:10 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:16 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:27 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:41 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 8:51 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 2:22 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:48 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:53 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:09 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:11 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:21 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 6:24 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 6:33 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 6:38 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 6:55 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 7:53 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by possibletarian - September 13, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by paulpablo - September 13, 2018 at 3:23 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Angrboda - September 13, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by vulcanlogician - September 13, 2018 at 9:29 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:54 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 7:56 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 14, 2018 at 9:23 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 14, 2018 at 9:37 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Sal - September 27, 2018 at 4:27 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by MysticKnight - September 29, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Reltzik - September 29, 2018 at 7:38 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2018 at 7:48 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Reltzik - September 29, 2018 at 10:26 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by robvalue - September 30, 2018 at 1:41 am

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