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Are all religions cults?
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RE: Are all religions cults?
(September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So you seem to be treating a non-physical thing, like a physical thing.   This would be a category error.

Nope. Because religionists claim that their god can sense and interact with the physical world. You cannot do that if you are a non-physical thing.

Name another thing that exists that is non-physical. You cannot. Therefore saying that your god is a non-physical thing is special pleading.



(September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: However
1.  God is the source and sustainer of all things and is not contingent on anything else.    Wouldn't this also apply to the physical universe as well.   It seems that your argument here, needs a prime mover, something like God to be the first cause. 

What is your god's power source? How can your god do anything if there isn't some equivalent to the laws of thermodynamics? How can he function? How can he think?

Suggesting that your god is the only thing that is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics makes no sense and is special pleading.


(September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: 2. This is going to depend on what you mean by intelligence.

Sure there are many definitions of intelligence, but every form of natural intelligence is a self organising system subject to the laws of thermodynamics. Brains settle into stable states and get driven out of them. Whether that happens at the level of dendrites, neurons, neural activity of entire cortices or emotions.

What we understand as intelligence comes from natural intelligence. Again it's special pleading to argue that your god's intelligence is something different. Add to that my thread about how if you are omniscient then you cannot be intelligent, just the equivalent of a universal look-up table.


(September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: 3.  God is omnipresent.  So how is the speed of light an issue?

So how come we cannot sense or interact with your god considering that he can sense and interact with the physical world? Why can't we feed your god into a generator to provide our homes with energy? I would like to find ways to cut my electricity bill.



(September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: 4.  This argument appears to assume that everything that exists is known to scientists, and that which they have not found does not exist.   What are we paying them for then?  And if you are claiming scientists are omniscient, then I would refer you back to your point 2, and ask that you support this claim.

We can measure down to the level of the sub-atomic level and still no sign of any omnipresent god. If something was able to sense and interact with the world to the extent that religionists claim then we would have been able to measure it by now.
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Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 4:03 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 13, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Pat Mustard - September 13, 2018 at 2:32 pm
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 4:19 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Aroura - September 13, 2018 at 6:23 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 13, 2018 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 9:41 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by Little Rik - September 13, 2018 at 11:04 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by Bob Kelso - September 13, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by The Grand Nudger - September 13, 2018 at 7:34 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:41 pm
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 13, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by brewer - September 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 2:22 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:48 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 4:53 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:06 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:09 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by Silver - September 14, 2018 at 5:21 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:19 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 5:27 am
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RE: Are all religions cults? - by RoadRunner79 - September 14, 2018 at 7:54 am
RE: Are all religions cults? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 14, 2018 at 7:56 am
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