RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 21, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2018 at 2:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 21, 2018 at 12:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: Before you go saying the definition is God is everywhere, that is not going to hold up. The universe is expanding. If God was everywhere, is God expanding?He would have to be..to be everywhere.
Quote:Or perhaps becoming diluted?IDK, does he only have so much juice...so that the more of the universe there is the less of god is in each bit? IDK why this would have to be the case but hey...could be!
Quote:Additionally, the universe if finite. Does that mean that God is finite.Unless he's also outside of the universe..whatever that means..then yup.
Quote:More silly conclusion can be drawn from a too-simplistic view: for example, is a portion of God in my coffee cup and the rest of him outside of it? No, God does not occupy space and is therefore not literally everywhere.Then god is not omnipresent. Additionally, if god occupies no space..then he's literally not anywhere, lol.
That these things seem silly to you ought to be instructive. It isn't so that each conclusion is simplistic, and it wouldn't matter if they were..so long as they were accurate..it's all down to the fact that you have silly beliefs, which you then compound with poor communication. If what you believe, more accurately, is that god is a huge frickin gouy, who can be anywhere he wants but isn't everywhere - then lead with that. If someone asks you about omnipresence, just tell them that you don't believe god is omnipresent. Hell, you don't believe that god is present -anywhere-, when we get down to the brass tacks.
This is an identical issue to the last missive about free will. If you don't believe in something, and people ask about it - just say that you don't believe in it.
Quote:I believe the correct understanding is he is cognizant of and causally active at every point in space.-this, is a combination of omniscience and contingency, not a correct (or any) understanding of omnipresence. Unless his "causal activity" is an issue of being there doing things in that moment, it has nothing to do with any presence.
Let me give you an example that's about as serious as your god beliefs. If I fart in a room...people feel my "presence" long after I'm gone, and sometimes..I'm in the next room listening in - cognizant. I'm not actually present, in body or spirit. If this is how you conceptualize the omnipresence™ of a god..well..I have similar abilities - just not as much reach. Don't get me wrong, the ability to fart in all of the rooms all of the time without ever actually being in any room is a neat trick...still. I'd have a hell of alot of fun with it!
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