RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 27, 2018 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2018 at 11:54 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 27, 2018 at 11:40 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 27, 2018 at 11:32 am)Khemikal Wrote: Why isn't babykilling a metric that can be assessed to see which god is better at it? A neutral objectivist would tell you that it is, even if it's not a metric we subjectively value.
Some bad people are better at being bad than others, and most bad people are better at doing bad shit than good people.
There's something in what you say, perhaps in the general case. However, in the specific case, if being greatest at being something for which being great at is actually great (such as being moral) is not possible for the being that is great at baby killing, it would seem to be impossible to be greater than the non-baby killing god (ignoring the very real issues which Polymath raises about resolving multiple criteria). Thus while that doesn't prove that Yahweh is the greatest god, it does prove that the baby killing god isn't. (But again, Poly's objections screw everything up. Regardless of what Steve may think, an abstract problem involving multiple criteria does not become irrelevant or a category error simply because the problem is illustrated using mathematical relationships. The objections relate to ordering properties generally, not simply as they relate to numbers, and greatness is an ordering property which necessarily depends upon multiple criteria. So, no, Steve is simply incorrect in claiming that Poly is guilty of a category error.)
A great killer is still great. Ask a Joe.
What you and Steve are both doing, is subjectively limiting greatness. That's fine...but it is being done. Polys objections screw it all up for the same reason that mine do. I'm including killing as a metric for greatness...why wouldn't I..just because I don't like it? Doesn't change the fact that the guy who tallies up more cracked infant skulls is the better babykiller..and if a gods supposed to be the greatest in every set, that would have to be one them - objectively.
Does it become difficult for any x to hold the greatest in every set simulataneously? Sure, but thems the breaks when a person builds their god ideas out of incoherent nonsense. They can only make the claim by excluding sets (even as they ignore those moments that their god doesn't fit their own sets)
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