(September 28, 2018 at 11:32 am)SteveII Wrote:(September 28, 2018 at 10:44 am)RobbyPants Wrote: Abaddon_ire already pointed out the problems of this option and agency.
You're also running into the scenario of "God caused you to get cancer because he knew you'd ask him to help out, and the act of you asking has benefits for you."
I'd submit that's just as bad, or worse, than my old college roommate who'd create problems just so he could fix them. Again, we all hated that guy and cut all ties with him. I mean, no one here is arguing that YHWH, according to the apologetics, isn't a massive narcissist. You're really only further proving my OP.
Nope. I am a Molinist (God's middle knowledge lets him see what people will freely choose to do). Free will lives on.
You are asserting that God caused the cancer. It might be that you simply chose to smoke or go to the beach. So, I don't accept that God caused any cancer. Actually that's not a belief that Christians generally hold (if at all)--so it is a straw man argument.
What you say here is contradictory to your option 4.
How can a person choose to get cancer, when god already knew what would happen before creation?
Since god does the creation, and during creation knew what will happen (because he programmed the human to, or willed it to be that way or whatever theists come up with). How can it be any one else fault but god?