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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
(May 23, 2009 at 10:20 am)Darwinian Wrote: I have no reason to doubt her but also, I have no direct evidence that she has told the truth. Therefore I must accpet what she says as true without evidence which is faith.

Well, what? Like a risk/reward thing?

I mean it's irrational to believe in something without good reason. Do you believe her or not? If you believe her, do you believe her for any reasons or is it just guess-work? If it's just guess-work then that's not rational because it could go either way and you have no idea.

If you DO have reasons to trust her then IF those reasons really ARE at all valid then surely that is evidence of her trustworthiness at least at the current time?


EvF Wrote:If you trusted in her when there was no reason whatsoever to trust her... - THEN you'd need faith and that would be irrational.

Darwinian Wrote:I agree, but that's not what faith is. Faith is simply the belief of something without evidence.

As I tried to show in the OP - if you actually DO have VALID rational reasons TO believe something then that IOW WOULD count as evidence of the truth of it.

So if you have NO reason to trust her whatsoever then you have IOW NO evidence that she is trustworthy (at least at the current time). So if you trust her anyway then you are trusting her irrationally and also with faith because there's: 1.No reason(s) to believe her (hence irrational). and 2. There's no evidence that she is trustworthy (hence you must be believing her on faith).

EvF
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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Edwardo Piet - May 22, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Dotard - May 23, 2009 at 12:49 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Giff - May 23, 2009 at 4:10 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 23, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 23, 2009 at 10:20 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Edwardo Piet - May 23, 2009 at 10:33 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 23, 2009 at 10:55 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 23, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 23, 2009 at 11:53 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Giff - May 24, 2009 at 6:58 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 6:55 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 8:00 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 8:23 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 24, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 3:25 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Samson - May 25, 2009 at 1:22 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by chatpilot - May 26, 2009 at 11:48 am
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 26, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 26, 2009 at 2:30 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 26, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by chatpilot - May 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by chatpilot - May 27, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 7:01 pm
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 7:14 pm

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