My decoversion and back to Islam.

[OakTree500]

But the only "proofs" you have, are old books full of crazy stories. Outside of that, you have ZERO things. 

In fairness to Mystic, he is presenting an argument based largely upon a priori reasoning, which I believe he traces to the Quran or Muslim theological tradition.  Yes he has strayed into the "mah book is special" territory at times, often as a result of unsuccessfully presenting this other argument, but it would be unfair to Mystic to characterize his argument as solely being based on the existence of the Quran and claims within it.  He has and does make what is technically an ontological argument and in so doing is innocent of the charge that the only proof he has is a bunch of crazy stories.  He just so far hasn't been able to convince anyone that his argument is sound.

(He has posted a surah or two which seem to reference the themes discussed in his argument, and if there is a larger body of discussion of it within Islamic tradition, I have to wonder why he doesn't reference that as support for his argument.  Given that the relationship between the ideas in the surahs he has quoted and the arguments he presents is rather oblique, I suspect the discussion of it within Islam isn't particularly more compelling than Mystic's word salad version, and likely leans toward the my book is true because it's magic argument, which has been disputed at length.  That's an argument drawn from the Quran itself, that the Quran is of such a character and quality that only a divine source could have been behind it.  In general, that's an argument which has failed to convince anyone but Muslims, so it's something of a non-starter, but I have seen Mystic appeal to it when his other arguments are greeted with skepticism.  That, and a lot of poisoning the well.)

Fair enough. I'm new here, so maybe I'm only getting the tail end of MK and his shenanigans, but right now he's coming across very "I don't have to prove shit to you" in the same way many theists speak, so i presumed he was very much of the same clan of "LOLZ LOOK AT MA STORIZ" when it came to proof.

MK - If you were to dial it down a bit, and produce the supposed evidence, I'd be happy to check it out.