Intercessory prayer is pointless

[Drich]

You're 0 for 3 on this. You have given me several instances of Jesus giving me an example of how to pray. You have given me no instances of Jesus saying there is no other way to pray. I cannot break down set theory any more simply for you. You don't get to argue about axiomatic definitions of things that are and are not in sets just because you personally have decided there can only be one way to pray.

Fine me Jesus saying "this is the only way to pray" or "all other ways of praying are invalid", or stop saying things that are provably, mathematically wrong.

What are you having problems with? I have given you Paul, The father of the gentile church our church... He said there is only 2 ways to to go before God... The way Jesus prayed/formal prayer and petitions or supplications in some translation. Why can't you not accept this truth? why are you looking for loop holes?? If you belong to the church then you would be subject to the teaching of Paul. Subsequently when Paul says there are only two forms of speaking to God, prayer and supplication then that is it.. why are you looking for answers where you know the bible is silent? why not use what the bible does say? do you think God is obligated to 'fund' you just because you think you found a loop hole using broken logic? No. Jesus was directly asked How do we pray. He gave only one example. No other examples were given. However Paul when telling his church how to go before God He mentions not only Christ's prayer but... also granted us permission to also petition God. Meaning prayer is what Jesus taught, everything else we ask for is supplication.

How do you see a loop hole here?

And not to pull rank but who here has sat before God? who here has his prayers answered? who here feel he can ask in supplication absolutely anything I want and also receive it? who here even believes in God? Why can I say "me" to each and everyone of these questions???because I know how to pray, what to pray for and have lived through God directly answering my prayers. Like wise I know how God answers prayers of petition.. So why do I take the position I do aside from it is ascribed in the bible first identified by Jesus and later outlined by Paul? because I have lived it and benefited from it. nothing else was ever used or needed.

My question to you is why does it matter? are you trying to sell some mormon light tower book of prayer hokem? where if you chant this incantation God will do your bidding? seriously what does it matter to a god hating douche what God wants or says about prayer? What do you have besides misidentified fallacies do you have that there is any other type of prayer accepted before God?

Not only that do you understand the luke 11 prayer to be an out line not a chant right? meaning you fill in your own words but must touche the point Christ established.

Here's proof so hold on to something. Proof that we are all wrong about God to one degree or another:comes in the way of analogy Paul used to describe the differences between the churches/denominations he established and works with: 1cor 12:12 to the end of the chapter..
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ESV

In short Paul says the whole of the church is like a human body with Christ as it's head...

All you've proven is Paul said those words; not that there's any truth to them.
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What I've proven is this view of the gentile chrch established by Paul and subsequently 1st century church doctrine directly off page with no interpretation added or taken away. The church and it's many different view points, is not only acceptable to the church but its primary form of reconciling the different teachings that even the apostles differed from. Even paul and peter had disagreements and this idea that we are on body and many parts healed the newly form church from it's first major schism.. the church, as peter established it demanded people to become jews before Christians/men to be circumcised, and Paul said they did not. Ultimately Paul had his say peter had his and this idea of we serve the same God let each man be convicted to do what he thinks is right be his guide.

Seriously why do you think this message takes up almost a whole chapter? and again in chapter 10 The message that let each man's heart be his own guide in worshiping God takes headlines when Paul/he speaks on all things being lawful, meaning in Christ there are no dietary restrictions, but for those in God who thinks there are restrictions on meat and or wine, then it is better for you not to eat meat or drink in front of them as they are convicted one way, and seeing you they may feel pressured to go against what they think it right.. Paul says again there is freedom in Christ and we can eat or drink anything we like but for the sake of the weaker brother he would never eat any meat or drink anything but water if it help them.

again showing different levels of understanding through out the church and learning to respect each other's views. As there was/is a great need for those of us who are free to make provision for those wh need to live by the law. now.. does this mean it is ok for those who want to live under the law to make up stuff? no. if you are to live by the law then it is by the strictest understand that one must live.

Again, what is your problem here? you don't believe in God so what does it matter what he really says? are you so proud that even in your disbelief you must have the final say on a God you care nothing for?

Will your pride not allow you to consider that maybe just maybe the reason your faith has failed, and mine has not is because like the foolish man you built your faith/house on the sand (BS understanding of God and the church) and when the trials of life came (wind and rain) your faith failed because you are wrong about prayer and in part because you were also wrong about a centralized organized church system?

Maybe the reason my version of Christian seem so foreign is because whatever it was you think was christianity wasn't even close enough for God to semi support... Clearly you believed something it was tested and no God ever showed up for you..

I was tested by the wind and rain as well, and most of my house fell down.. all except the parts that were built on the rock.. so I found some more rock and built on it, and the wind and rains came again and I had to rebuild again and again and again.. FF 25+ years and everything I am is built on the rock of truth. while you are clearly till spinning your wheels wondering why people can say there is a god, but only through your mind's eye.

I guess I am asking what do you have except broken logic that says anything you say concerning God has any merit? you don't even have a faith to point to.. so why argue something you do not understand? because logic says in your mind you are right?

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You are right, but you can saved those who think they are saved. I been a member of christian forums since 2008.. no one thinks they have it wrong except those who know they can't possible have it right and need God to forgive them for the messed up way they worship. Ironically it is in the omission of not knowing and relying on tradition, tht makes one right with God.

The idea of the wise and foolish builder means when God abandons a faith or system of belief when the people test their faith or their faith is tested by hardship that 'god' will not be there to help them. that means their house/their faith is destroyed by the absence of God which would/should inspire those truly looking for God the opportunity to start over and try again.

Then the bible should just indicate that and not leave it up to 20,000 different interpretations for people to figure out.

but what if all 20,000 version were right for those 20000 groups of people?

what if it is about doing your best and each best will be a little less than some but greater than other enough so it takes 20000 groups to encapsulate the different levels of 'best' before God?

Here something to think about what if... God's offer goes beyond those who call them selves christian?

What if for some crazy reason we do not get to decide who is and who is not christian that our ceremonies and rituals mean nothing to God and God judges us on what he knows to be the absolute truth of who we are? What if salvation is not something we obtain but something given? you know kinda like the bible says??

It would mean for some the bar gets raised by alot and for others it get lowered to the point that almost any idiot can get in?