Intercessory prayer is pointless

[Drich]

So, the reason most Christians are praying wrong is because they don't speak ancient Greek, and Almighty God isn't a good enough communicator to get the idea across?

you do not have to know ancient greek to know how to use a lexicon and or concordance... That is the problem with you white english privileged people.. most of you never grew up in a bilingual house hold, but made to take a foreign language and still yet do not understand the term 'lost in translation.'

no language translates word for word, syntax is different grammar is different, everything you think you know about written or verbal communication is wrong, when going to a different language. Growing up most of my friends thought it was crazy the way yoda spoke. that is a simple example of using a different syntax construct. I say that to say the bible... wait for it... Was not originally written in english! what's more the dialect it was written is is dead, so even if you spoke the language it was written in it would be like speaking to someone who only speaks a very primitive form of english. meaning words are not used the same, and they will and can take on different social references. hence the need for a lexicon and concordance. a concordance is a literal word for word translation of the whole bible. then the lexicon work as a dictionary and also a historical text that gives proper social text in how and when a word was used.

Now that said if a reasonably honest person who want to find God came across the passage that said in prayer and supplication go to God.. the question should cause a pause, for even if you know what supplication means one would think most prayer is asking for things... So that is when you break out the lexicon and concordance as I did to see what does not translate properly. so we look up prayer and it samples or points to the formal prayer of Christ then we look up petition, or supplication and it means to ask for anything else.. meaning anything not in the lord's prayer is potentially a suplictory 'prayer.' or a petition to God.

I'm going to be honest: I don't care enough about this topic to learn ancient Greek well enough to see if I agree with your assessment on this.

but you do have enough interest to argue actual bonafide reference source like a moron arguing with a merriam webster dictionary to the meaning of a word you clearly do not understand!

That is what i do not understand about you guys.. you bitches always scream for proof proof proof. and you have actual proof on the definition of a word and you turn a blind eye to it as if it were a matter of opinion or preference. I posted the reference material for you all you had to do is read, and it tells you what I have already said. You morons need to understand you are not arguing me, I simply compile information. you are ignoring the 'proof' you pretend you want so you can keep the idea of God as far away from you as possible.

The vast majority of Christians do ask God for stuff when they pray, and that's what my thread is addressing. I don't really care if 90% of Christians are "correct" or not.

Moron, again... it is ok to ask God for stuff!!! Paul said go to God in PRAYER AND PETITION.. However if all you do is ask for crap (got to him in petition) when will you have you ever prayed? If you never pray, are you doing what we have been instructed to do? if not, then why oh why in the world would you think God would be willing to answer your petitions if you have never prayed? Do you now understand the point that I made back in my first post? If you only petition and to God never pray why would he consider your requests? We must first be willing to follow him.. before he is willing to give to us.

Because If you never prayed, but he does answer, would you then be inclined to ever learn to pray? -or- If God never answers your supplitory prayers and you thought you were praying wouldn't you then see what is up and ask someone why God is never there fore you... So then again it only benefits you to learn the difference between prayer and supplication so you learn to do both... You want God to do abc... God demands you first ask for xyz... Again learn to ask for xyz and there is nothing God won't grant in the abc...

So, maybe your claim about me just not knowing the right language is true, and maybe it's not. Sadly, it being true hinges on Almighty God letting this One True translation die along with the ancient Greek speakers, only to be picked up by a rare handful of scholars who know the True meaning.

here's the thing sport.. YOU don't represent the whole of Church... I do. Why? because I learned to pray long long time ago and God showed up as promised, just like for the millions of other in one form or fashion God showed up for them as well We are not stupid we are not delusional but we also can not ignore God when He shows up as well...

what you represent if the failure of christianity, a failure of a shadow of a medieval religion, and the what and why people leave the church.. they leave because when they pray and ask for cars houses and girl friends they don't get crap. when they ask for grandma to get better they don't get crap. when they go to trade good deeds for granted wishes they don't get crap... because they never once, (like you) never learn to pray..


If you want to learn i can explain it again. 2 minutes a day and God will turn your little world upside down.