Intercessory prayer is pointless

[Drich]

What did Jesus say on the cross just before he died?

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Matthew 27:46-50
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Mark 15:33-37
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.”

36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said.

37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

You were saying?

Glob...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_rIvUDk8o

I know your argument as a thing in the 1990s I did know people were still arguing a contradiction here... for anyone with any interest in honesty or truth this supposed paradox can simply be solved by saying each writer represented a piece of Christ final words.

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Moron, again... it is ok to ask God for stuff!!! Paul said go to God in PRAYER [b]AND PETITION.. However if all you do is ask for crap (got to him in petition)  when will you have you ever prayed? If you never pray, are you doing what we have been instructed to do? if not, then why oh why in the world would you think God would be willing to answer your petitions if you have never prayed? Do you now understand the point that I made back in my first post? If you only petition and to God never pray why would he consider your requests? We must first be willing to follow him.. before he is willing to give to us.

So... you go from saying that there are only two types of prayer (neither of which is Christians asking for things)

no. I'm saying in the formal Christ Christ taught prayer we ask for our daily needs. we ask that God's will be set and the goal for our life, we ask for forgivness of our sin if andonly if we can forgive those who sinned against us.

Then in petition.. we can ask for anything we want.

to saying that it's okay to do sometimes, so long as they don't always do it... Which was never part of my OP in the first place.

how are you even apart of this conversation and have so little understanding of what we have been talking about???
I'm saying if you only petition God and never pray because you do not know the difference God... has NO reason to answer your petition.

Remember prayer changes your will to be that of God.. Petition is asking God to change his will to favor you. If you can't first give your will to God why would he entrust the power and authority his will has to you? (if you can't be bother to do as you are told why would God reward you?)

So, your big complaint about the thrust of this thread is that you don't actually have a problem with the main premise, but I presumably hurt your feelings. And here you are repeatedly calling me a moron. I've wasted entirely too much time talking to you when you're not even participating in good faith. Never again. On the ignore list you go, asshole.

I have rightfully called you a moron because it shows in your summary that as well spelled as everything you write is... you have no clue as to the nature of this conversation.

Prayer=change your will

Petition= change God's will.

We are commanded to pray first and then petition. because if we can learn to pray then our petitions will be that of the will of God for us and he will freely give.