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Intercessory prayer is pointless
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless
(October 22, 2018 at 1:06 pm)Drich Wrote:
(October 19, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Oops : "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Two things.. What did Jesus say he came here to do (the part of the quote you left out) and What did Jesus say on the cross just before he died?

I came here to finish or full fill the law/was the part you left out and (depends on translation)  It is finished.. or it has been fulfilled. was his lasts words on the cross.

Now does this take the whole law away from everyone? no it still applies to the same people it always applied to.. OT Jews. Or people seeking righteousness through the law (moral people/pop morality douche bags who thik they can be good 'enough'.) as the OT Jews sought which means everyone! but those who seek atonement/as faith in Christ...

Otherwise what was the point of Christ if he were to come here die just to continue the old covenant? If that were the case, then that means the gentiles are screwed as they have no 'in to being born into the chosen' and the jews would have to live as they always have always lived. (which jews today don't even live like ot jews. so everyone is screwed.)

That or you are missing something in your exegesis of this passage.
Such as:


Quote:Heaven (LOL) and Earth are still here, and everything is NOT "accomplished", therefore EVERYTHING in the "law" is still required.
As usual Christians cherry-pick the verses they want to cherry-pick.
read it again sport it says: "not one jot shall change till it is finished or full filled." what did Jesus say his mission here was? (the part you cut out of your quotation of this passage) It says "I did not come here to destroy the law" but to what?!?!? "but to Full fill the law"

so again... what did he do on the cross ?? He full filled the law so "one jot could be changed." How do we know this? IT WAS HIS FINAL WORDS!!!

What jot? Ask yourself where does fulfillment of the explained? Romans 10 goes well into detail explain how and what it means the law was full filled but to sum it up in a sentence romans 10:4 says it all:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

But here's the thing you and guys who quote this passage wishing we were all still OT jews don't get... Read verse 4 again.. The law end... FOR those who BELIEVE do you understand? the law remains and for those who do not believe (you and people like you) IT IS YOU WHOM THE LAW REMAINS TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR. So you may be judged by it.. However For those who believe.. it is our faith in Christ that saves us. (again all explain in great detail in Romans 10)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

Quote:PAUL himself said Christians were STILL under the (old) law.
1 Corinthians 14:34  "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."
this is a lie. nowhere in that passage does it say we are under the old law. PAul is setting rules for the worship service, and lot of new things because of how the Spirit changes the dynamic of worship.. however for the women it is as it always was... that is all this passage is saying. the woman's role in worship is the same as it was under the law. men roles changed because so many were blathering about in tongues and Paul is trying to regulate guys who have this gift from morons pretending. he says in the chapter several time he wants worship to be orderly, we can do tongues if...

Quote:Jesus also told the young man in Matthew, he had to "keep (all) the commandments",
because the young man asked him a completely different question you dishonest pig.

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

He asked 'what HE MUST DO' it is the same thing YOU MUST DO being a non christian.. You have to live perfectly by the law... He supposedly did, However this was not enough for the boy he wanted to be perfect. Christ said sell everything and follow him.. why? because if he had he would have followed as a disciple who all later found out that through atonement we do become perfect before God. apart from the law. He wanted to be perfect... no way through the law to be perfect, but through faith and atonement perfection is given/not earned lest no man should boast.

Quote: (not just 2). Sounds like your Jebus can't make up his mind, (or perhaps the people who made up the story of Jebus couldn't keep their story straight).
My quote comes from the disciples asking which laws were the most important and Christ wraps up all law ito just two the christian must follow.

For honest open minded people they would see, Two different question two different answers.. for the closed minded douche who thinks he knows more about the bible than he really does, everyone is wrong except him, because he tried to contact god and got nothing in return.. meaning if there was a God surly he would meet him 1/2 way... so that must make you a bible expert, because you read a few passages and have a few opinions..

Quote:Drich, you really need to take Bible 101. You are incompetent to say anything about the Bible.
You can't even write a sentence in correct English. Can't Jebus send someone who can spell ?
* asked
* boiled
* ability
NT 101 the disciples/apostles/ Father's of the church... were all common laborers/fishermen and most of them could not read or write. Most of them used scribes. Paul who could, but rarly wrote his own letters. Moses had a speech impediment, Jesus Himself came as a below status commoner.. which is one of the reason why the upper echelon never accepted him.

or better put:
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

God uses foolish people like me so when you stop and actually look at what is being said you know the origins of this or any profound message is not of the messenger but of the one who sent the messenger.

the message here is not mine it is the lords. which is why it leaves your pitiful but correctly spelled observations emasculated and appearing to be lacking in the basic knowledge of the bible you where in fact lording over me.

because truly what is ore pittful.. someone on point and correct in everything he says, but misspelled *3 words.. or someone who has great spelling and grammar but has a very little understanding of the basic subject matter?

Who is the person you entrust to drive your family? Some douche fresh out of class who knows the rules of the road, or the professional driver who knows how to drive any vehicle at any speed or road condition??

#1 You are incompetent to comment on anyone's interpretation of anything. You are an authority on nothing.
#2 Your analogies suck. They are always false and inappropriate.
#3 Are heaven and earth still here ? Yes. My point stands.
#4 Paul himself invokes "the law" when it was convenient to tell women to shut up. The point stands. HE told his people they were STILL under the law.

I understand FAR more about your cult than you ever will, sport.
You have not a shred of evidence that your Jebus ever said anything, ever was on a cross, that the ideas are "the lords". (It should have been spelled "Lord", you dunce).
The gods don't send anyone. Delusional neurotic people with no other expertise, (not unlike yourself) appoint yourself to preach, because you think you have a skill that you don't. You are suffering from Dunning Krueger syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect


"NT 101 the disciples/apostles/ Father's of the church... were all common laborers/fishermen and most of them could not read or write. Most of them used scribes. Paul who could, but rarly wrote his own letters. Moses had a speech impediment, Jesus Himself came as a below status commoner.. which is one of the reason why the upper echelon never accepted him."

And yet you people claim they all became miraculously world-travelers and writers and preachers of great renown ..... LMAO

BTW, "it is finished" (singular) ... in NO way has the same meaning as, or could even remotely be interpreted as "all things are accomplished". Doh.
Do try a bit harder next time, sport.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

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Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - September 27, 2018 at 5:29 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Minimalist - September 28, 2018 at 1:18 am
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by SteveII - September 28, 2018 at 4:08 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Abaddon_ire - September 28, 2018 at 8:57 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - September 28, 2018 at 10:00 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Jehanne - September 29, 2018 at 9:44 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 4:11 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 11, 2018 at 10:40 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - September 28, 2018 at 2:39 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Minimalist - September 28, 2018 at 12:02 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2018 at 1:31 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Dr H - September 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 11, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 15, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Abaddon_ire - October 15, 2018 at 3:35 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 16, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Abaddon_ire - October 16, 2018 at 11:24 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 17, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 18, 2018 at 11:03 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 18, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 18, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 18, 2018 at 4:30 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 18, 2018 at 6:34 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 19, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 17, 2018 at 4:11 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 18, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 18, 2018 at 12:49 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 11, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 12, 2018 at 9:24 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 18, 2018 at 2:40 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 18, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 18, 2018 at 7:48 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by robvalue - October 11, 2018 at 11:38 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Nay_Sayer - October 18, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Dr H - October 18, 2018 at 6:52 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Nay_Sayer - October 18, 2018 at 9:20 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Dr H - October 19, 2018 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Dr H - October 22, 2018 at 2:33 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Minimalist - October 18, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 18, 2018 at 4:50 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 19, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 19, 2018 at 2:05 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 22, 2018 at 2:37 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by RobbyPants - October 23, 2018 at 8:42 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 19, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 22, 2018 at 11:17 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 19, 2018 at 1:50 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 22, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Abaddon_ire - October 22, 2018 at 2:39 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 23, 2018 at 9:18 am
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 23, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Drich - October 23, 2018 at 4:31 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Bucky Ball - October 24, 2018 at 2:02 pm
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RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Dr H - October 23, 2018 at 4:41 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by KevinM1 - October 23, 2018 at 10:05 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Joods - October 23, 2018 at 10:16 pm
RE: Intercessory prayer is pointless - by Minimalist - October 23, 2018 at 11:03 pm
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