(November 14, 2018 at 10:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(November 14, 2018 at 10:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, nobody here thinks we are above it all.
Do yourself a favor. STOP letting labels, yours or others, get in the way of accepting the fact we are all the same species.
You have often said you hate the government you live under. I have said I was willing to treat you as an individual outside your government.
I DO NOT like all of my country's history. I do not like what we did to Native Americans or blacks or women or Japanese Americans during WW2.
If you point to the west and say we've been cruel, it isn't because every human living in the west is cruel, but because our species can be cruel.
When that guy threw the shoe at Bush Jr, for example, I completely understood. But I also did not vote for Bush just like you don't like your government.
Try treating humans as individuals.
Labels do not make an individual automatically only do good, or only do bad. Our species behaviors are not in our labels, but in our evolution. It is still up to individual humans to see others as such.
But it wasn't the mistake of Bush alone. When the invasion of Iraq took place in 2003, Bush and a whole administration had the U.K as an ally, and a whole bunch of Arab governments as allies, and let's not forget the Shiite Iraqies who were the replacement of Saddam Hussein.
The American people didn't move until the economical aftermath broke their back; because of the unjust war and the sectarian disaster the U.S caused in Iraq.
Let's be straight about this: the west stood with the two components that set the Middle East to flames: the Shiites in Iraq, and the Wahhabi Sunnies in Saudi Arabia. The support the U.S gave to these to components was behind their terrible crimes in the region for so long, that if somebody is willing to research what I'm saying.
Where were the American public from this unjust turn of events, caused by their government of choice? the one and only part gaining from the war between Sunnies and Shiites is the western powers, and the missionaries keeping the iron heated.
Even today in 2018, the American public repeats the same action by voting Trump.
It's not a blame game Brian; I do treat everyone as an individual, I don't blame you or label you or judge you. But your labeling of yourself is what I mostly take: you are a human born in the U.S, that doesn't mean you are pro Bush or Trump.
But the last elections show that so many there are not like you. Almost a majority.
And the case of Kashoggi is another evidence
(November 14, 2018 at 10:26 am)Khemikal Wrote: Seems like it's your own despots doing that to you at present, but okay.
Supported by the west, especially the Republic zionist regime of Trump -which was favored by almost an Evangelical majority and almost an American majority-.
Populism is the new way, they say
Populism runs Saudi Arabia and Iran too.
Humans are tribal and?
That is no excuse to give up on humanity. I will never give up on the prospect that there are plenty of individuals worldwide that still see beyond our local labels. If you ignore that, you do yourself a disservice, and you ignore my support of YOU the individual.
Our species has a evolutionary history of protecting that which is local. It is an unfortunate side effect of our species not being able to see that we are NOT a separate species. If I am willing to give you credit for bucking your government and population social norms, then do the me the favor off accepting that I am simply stuck in a different location.
I HATE my species tribal thought, and far too often defaulting to conflict putting that over diplomacy. BUT I will not give up on individuals who can and do see beyond boarders and labels.
