(November 14, 2018 at 11:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(November 14, 2018 at 10:27 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Wrong, two fold. WWI wasnt the next big war after the Mogols in Europe, and after the mongols there was religion causing wars and suffering, big time.
Exhibit A: 30 Years war
As the name suggests, it lasted 30(!!!!) years, was all about religion, fought on german soil with much of europe being involved, killing up to 75% of the local population (iirc it was in total some 25% of the whole population). It wasnt not only about religion, no it was an inter-religious war between cahtholics and protestants (like....hold your breath: shiites and sunnites, that why westerner are rolling their eyes so hard about this conflict). In many aspects it was worse than the mongols (apart from the fact that the mongols never made it to germany, because the Khan died of alcoholism).
The belt buckles of german soldiers in WWI (and WWII) read: "Gott mit uns" (god with us). So much for religion not being a part of WWI.
Quote:Here are the world's 5 bloodiest wars in history:
- World War II: Fought from 1939 to 1945, the Second World War is the deadliest conflict in history, with over 70 million fatalities. ...
- Mongol Conquests: ...
- World War I: ...
- The Manchu Conquest of China: ...
- Napoleonic Wars:
Source: -google
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Quote:War of the roses was a dynastic struggle, and britain learned from it, thats the difference to much of the middle east, its an endless cycle of madness. Yes, europe wasnt very civilized for quite some time in quite some areas. Your point is? That religion doesnt cause wars, or because living conditions were bad, they would have been better with religion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barons%27_War
I don't think they learned until now. Britain had a long history of wars, either with France or within itself or as a consequence of the imperial expansions. My point is that when you want a war with 30,000,000 casualties, you never go to religion: but you go to the Kuffar -like the Mongols- or the west -WW1 & WW2-.
Quote:You do not know that hefty discussions about its justification arised in *the west* the day after the first nuke was dropped, and are still going on today?
Whats your point? If americans bomb Iraq, they shouldnt be surprised about terrorists?
I got news for you, we had terrorists (and do have) in Germany since the 70s at least, before any Germany troops fought....oh wait, the german constitution forbids sending german troops to foreign soil to fight. We only send troops to occupy regions, preferably with UN mandates, to suppress violence and terrorism in those areas. German troops arent allowed to engage in attacks, they are limited to self defense. Guess what, terrorists come to Germany to x-mas markets and run over people with Trucks, because of...... what? We had planes hijacked and innocent civilians publicly executed by "people liberation fronts"....why exactly? What have those innocent people done to palestine? What have innocent visitors of a german x-mas market done to deserve to be run over?
Whats the purpose of killing innocent people when innocent people get killed? -1 x -1 = +1? Two wrongs make a good?
I do know that the west has good people in it, and that's what the human race has:good and bad people.
But we are not speaking about the good people now; we are speaking about the criminals that hurt western people before they hurt foreigners; they led Europe and America to a world war once, and now they are doing it again (Trump and his likes).
AGAIN Atlass, I HATE TRUMP TOO, and if you did not notice, Macron, the French PM basically bitch slapped him on the international stage at a memorial honoring the END of the brutality of war. Trump is an authoritarian asshole wannabe, he has more in common with the likes of Putin, Un, the Imams of Iran and your Saudi Ruling family than I do.
I don't like Bibi Nuttyfuckhoo either. But, I will never lose sight, regardless of our different locations on this planet, that there are STILL plenty of decent humans that can and do see beyond the powers above them.
We as a species would do better collectively to reject tribalism, especially now, when there is no more room for conquest for any side, and especially since we live in an age of mutual destruction and friend and foe alike have nuclear weapons.
