It's not religion..believe me. It's something else

[WinterHold]

.........Fuck it!

Atlas first argument

Hell, you know very well that when people fought, it usually is for money or land. Religious wars ended so long ago, and with the "Mongol Invasion" that dropped so many dead, it was obvious that it is not religion that moves nations

My reply: Religion does move nations, even 300 years after the mongols, as evidenced by the 30y war. I also pointed out it was an EUROPEAN war, so replying with a list of biggest global events misses the point.

I also pointed out that a religious motto was embossed on the belt buckles of German soldiers in WWI 700y after the mongols (in reference to your original claim that religion doesnt motivate nations to go to war, particularly not after the mongols. Your reply: a list containing WWI.

The religious motto is to give them courage; humans love motto.

I don't think they learned until now. Britain had a long history of wars, either with France or within itself or as a consequence of the imperial expansions. My point is that when you want a war with 30,000,000 casualties, you never go to religion: but you go to the Kuffar -like the Mongols- or the west -WW1 & WW2-. 

Kuffar = unbelievers? What is your fucking point. Sounds like word salad to me, honestly.  Who "wants a war with 30mio casualties? What war? WTF?

Of course you are a non-believer -kaffir-; or did you believe in God??

I do know that the west has good people in it,

THAT WAS NOT MY FUCKING POINT!!!!!!
My point was, in reply to

AtlasS33 Wrote: Isn't it hilarious, to see a European whining about "Islamic Terrorism"? despite his brethren killing Millions in Japan just a few years ago? I mean if you use something monstrous like atomic bombs; what do you except your enemy to come carrying? flowers???

that you tried to defend killing innocent people (terrorists doing the killing), by claiming that other innocent people got killed (relatives of terrorists) In your case you switched over to the nukes dropped over Japan to illustrate the suffering of the first innocent victims, WHICH STILL DOESNT JUSTIFY KILLIN GOF MORE AND OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE IN RETURN.
Got it? YOU DONT HAVE TO KISS MY ASS AFFIRMING THAT THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE HERE. THAT.WAS.NOT.MY.FUCKING.POINT

Fucking hell, i have to explain to this guy his own arguments.
*calms down and drops in a valium*

No I never defended the killing of innocents; so this table flipping tactics -which is very cheap- is quite useless. Please read my post again.


I will repeat what I said: when you burn others, you get burned. That's why in school, you don't hit others and steal their lunch, because tomorrow they will hit back.
Which is the argument of terrorists when they make a disgusting crime; their argument is always: "but America bombs the innocent in Iraq". Maybe if America stopped bombing civilians in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan the terrorists will have no argument?

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World War 1 was the next huge war, followed by World War 2. and non of them were waged because of religion.

You forgot a few.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-57270-p...pid1848788

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No, but this is the time of the west's dominance, and just like they are at the top of the pyramid, we tend to blame them more.

After all the atomic bomb is their invention; not mine.

So, in other words, you're just pointing fingers for the sake of pointing fingers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are nothing but a full fledged apologist for Muslim and Arab atrocities, and every post and thread you make simply proves it.

You are a disgusting human being for looking for reasons to excuse such things, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

But if it's anything that hard core Muslims lack...

Meh...

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But it wasn't the mistake of Bush alone. When the invasion of Iraq took place in 2003, Bush and a whole administration had the U.K as an ally, and a whole bunch of Arab governments as allies, and let's not forget the Shiite Iraqies who were the replacement of Saddam Hussein.

The American people didn't move until the economical aftermath broke their back; because of the unjust war and the sectarian disaster the U.S caused in Iraq.

Let's be straight about this: the west stood with the two components that set the Middle East to flames: the Shiites in Iraq, and the Wahhabi Sunnies in Saudi Arabia. The support the U.S gave to these to components was behind their terrible crimes in the region for so long, that if somebody is willing to research what I'm saying.

Where were the American public from this unjust turn of events, caused by their government of choice? the one and only part gaining from the war between Sunnies and Shiites is the western powers, and the missionaries keeping the iron heated.

Even today in 2018, the American public repeats the same action by voting Trump.
It's not a blame game Brian; I do treat everyone as an individual, I don't blame you or label you or judge you. But your labeling of yourself is what I mostly take: you are a human born in the U.S, that doesn't mean you are pro Bush or Trump.

But the last elections show that so many there are not like you. Almost a majority.
And the case of Kashoggi is another evidence

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Supported by the west, especially the Republic zionist regime of Trump -which was favored by almost an Evangelical majority and almost an American majority-.

Populism is the new way, they say

I hate the words "Zionist" as much as I do "anti- Semitic"" 

What makes you or anyone think I blindly support Israel?  I DONT, I do not think Israel gets everything right. But just like they are not going to wipe out all Muslims, you are not going to wipe out Israel. Just like neither Christians NOR Muslims are going to rid the world of atheists. 

It still remains that between the east and the west, AND WE ARE BY NO MEANS PERFECT, but between open states and closed states, the west still has more opportunity to correct mistakes and defend minorities. 

I would only agree right now, that the west is seeing a rise in BULLSHIT nationalism, just like the vile garbage Hitler started and used effectively. But please do not think everyone agrees with that sick crap in the west. 

I am not a blind defender of anything.

Brian.. did you ever read the history of Israel, how it came to be?
Do you realize that the British created it out of thin air? there was nothing called Israel (but in the Bible). Do you realize that the Palestinian people got kicked, killed, butchered by the Jewish newcomers?

I knew Palestinians in my life, a lot actually. And believe me, they are one of the saddest things ever, people who got kicked out of their homes, have no papers, no passports, nothing.

The Israeli regime is a racist, tyrannical regime that existed through the murder of the Palestinians. That's why the resistance in Gazza will never cease, and the hate Muslims have for this regime is never ending.

It's just like the native Americans and the western invaders.

The Israeli regime is just like ISIS or any other terrorist organization, but with more technology.