RE: Christian morality delusions
November 21, 2018 at 9:30 am
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2018 at 9:53 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 21, 2018 at 4:06 am)ignoramus Wrote: Khem, (let me know if you don't want me calling you that), give me another example of something intangible (not physical) that can objectively exist other than morals.
I'm trying to get my head around it like wyzas.
I don't think that morality -is- "not physical"...but....if people's confusion about objective morality is the sort of intangible/not physical that you're looking for..it objectively exists.
Honestly, it's not a difficult idea. I think that folks overthink moral facts and underthink shoe facts. We take the latter for granted, and act like we take the former for granted, but express confusion at the notion of the former over the latter. If there are true things about something that make that thing good or bad, then that is an objective description of morality. It;s useful to point out that we might get those true things wrong, or have the wrong set of true things in mind, but even this is an -attempt- at an objective morality. The faithful, for example, think it has something to do with gods, lol.
(November 21, 2018 at 9:20 am)wyzas Wrote: You need to put on the horns when playing advocate.
Big curly black ones!
I'm only advocating for people to have a clearer understanding of what it is they're affirming or rejecting when they talk about objective moral statements. As the OP comment laid out, people often affirm or reject moral realism for reasons wholly unrelated to what moral realism is about. The confusion on both sides feeds into each other and creates a false impression of the subject that conforms to other beliefs each set has about each other....and is formed largely -by- those things, rather than anything about the item in question.
So, for example...you'll have folks trying to disagree with something some atheist says by saying "but since I believe in an objective moral authority": - by which they are referring to god but not objective morality....and then, a gaggle of the godless pipe in to say "yeah, but that's bullshit"...referring..themselves..to a god, and not an objective morality.
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