Christian morality delusions

[The Grand Nudger]

Gae and the others,

There is circularity in judging one's values by one's values, I believe. I don't believe subjective morality is a problem in a perfect world. How do you stop 2 subjective moralists from arguing? wait for one of them to prove he's right by putting a bullet through the other's head. subjective morality would be enough for me if everyone wanted to get along and have peace, I am a hippie lover. It's not though and people have police and lock their doors because societal or personal subjective morality has proven to be not enough. It's not my displeasure with the events, it's the testing and observation that subjectivity in morality is not worth anything more than the subject using it.

You keep using the terms societal morality and subjective morality....but, as already mentioned..your use of both is problematic.  Even if there were an objective morality...there would still be police and locked doors.  Frankly, absent some form of objective justification the very actions of police become more than a little bit troubling.  

They bust down your door why, because drugs are "other than objectively bad..mmkay..."...right?  

-and I appreciate that you think that there's more at play than your subjective displeasure and an adherence to the articles of your undemonstrable faith....but your description of each article doesn't seem to support that contention. Societal morality bad - ignoring that societal morality could very well be objective morality. Subjective morality bad...but your idea of subjective morality is inaccurate and could include objective morality. Reference to some higher objective moral standard good - but you describe no such thing..only your belief in gods.

And to answer the last question No objective morality doesn't reduce tolerance. The fact of having an objective authority does not necessitate compliance with or acceptance of that authority. Having an objective rule stick doesn't make people bash each other over the head with it (Even though that's been done a lot in the past too, with or without God).

History and our present state of affairs begs to differ.  Even folks..such as yourself, who are not actually referring to an objective morality but believe they possess one have done exactly that. It's a compelling observation of the effect of moral objectivity (real or imagined)...that we're all ultimately left to make up our own minds about. Would whatever shittiness arises from such a thing be worth it. I think, in most cases, yes..but I don't believe in free lunches, so, I acknowledge that it can be and has been problematic.