(November 27, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote:OK, my point wasn't about a world wide census, it was a fallacy in the logic.
Lk 2:1
In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem.
Antiquities 18.1.1 1
Quirinius, a Roman senator who had passed through all the other magistracies until he became consul, and one who in other respects was very distinguished, came at this time into Syria, with a few others, having been sent by Caesar to be governor of that nation and to make an assessment of their property. Coponius, a man of the equestrian order, was sent with him to have supreme authority over the Jews. Quirinius came himself to Judea, which had now been added to the province of Syria, to make an assessment of their property and to dispose of Archelaus's estate.
Yes, Quirinius became governor in 6AD and was in Syria. Property assessments were also going on at that time.
Here's what we could have:
A. Luke is right and Josephus was wrong that Jesus was born when Quirinius became governor
B. Josephus was right and Luke was mistaken about world events at the time of Christ's birth
C. Josephus was right in his assessment of Quirinius' assent to governor but did not note every census and Luke was not wrong in a previous census
D. Josephus was right in his assessment of Quirinius' assent to governor but did not note every census and Luke was wrong in a previous census
E. Luke was right in his assessment of historical events but did not note every position Quirinius held and Josephus was not wrong on the 6AD census
F. Luke was right in his assessment of historical events but did not note every position Quirinius held and Josephus was wrong on the 6AD census
....insert many more: both are wrong, we live in a matrix, time is not real, documents are fake, etc.
and G. All of the above doesn't matter for shit because if the point is about relevance and accuracy, it misses the giant elephant in the room. Anno Domini became the prevalent system until Common era came about to placate the Jews and non believers. An entire numbering of History (minus the zero even though the concept of 0 existed) based on a tenuous birth date of one person that existed prior to any of the current minds of the time.
Here's a thought experiment: Today we celebrate Bradjalicious' birthday (Happy Bday, btw) that person is so awesome (I don't know from experience but for this purpose we'll assume) we'll call today A.B. (anno Bradjalicious). 2000 years from now is it important that he lied on his forum B-day field or that he was relevant and awesome enough to be a part of ordering history?
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