(October 2, 2011 at 12:25 pm)ElDinero Wrote:These things seem to be "controversial" simply because there is a minority of people that want "prayer in schools". In truth, once you point out to those people, that America is actually not a real nation state, that has a uniform ethnic makeup and religion, they will probably state that they didn't want it to be nationwide and etc. The USA provides many alternatives to public schools, such as homeschooling, where they can teach their children whatever they want.(October 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Please tell me how religious beliefs actually have any kind of effects on education or healthcare. It could have effects on politics, as people may oppose certain things due to their religious sentimentalities, but I believe that your constitution was quite clear that the congress cannot make any laws concerning, or based on a particular religion.
Unless your constitution was openly challenged in the congress, requesting a change to alter the terms that concern themselves with secularism.
Firstly, it's not my constitution, I'm from the UK, but that's fine. The USA is a great place to point out these things, it's full of examples.
Education: Controversy over intelligent design/evolution, prayer in public school, pledge of allegiance
Healthcare: Abortion, stem cell research, contraception
That was easy. Are you really saying you are ignorant to all of this?
There may be a controversy, but it certainly does not reflect itself to a jurisdictional or educational level, as evolution is an accepted scientific theory, just like any other scientific theory out there, and will be taught in public schools, regardless of what they may think about it.
As for the pledge of allegiance, I think that this is the only point where they have managed to actually bring about a real change, and that's where it's at.
It's open to discussion too, and once more, one can easily point out that America is not uniform, not by a long shot.
The stem cell controversy is generally tied to abortion, since the stem cells that are most useful for the research, meaning, those who can transform into other cell types, are extracted from fetuses, who are, in return, extracted from abortions and miscarriages.
The matter of abortion on the other hand, has no real religious basis.
There can be a philosophical stance on it, namely, on where life actually starts and etc. but I don't remember anything in any christian doctrine that talks about abortion, anywhere. And abortion is a procedure that dates back to the antiquity.
Quote:Wait, if you're not atheist, what right have you to discuss atheism? Double standards, how fun.Did I say that I wasn't? Even if I were no atheist, I didn't open a thread like this one and titled it "atheists and other retarded stuff", or this calling people titled "child religion", simply because I have no problem with atheism, nor
atheists. You however seem to be past the point of simple philosophical and theological arguing.
Quote:You'd have to living in a bunker somewhere to be oblivious to our current issues. There is a far more likely scenario than this.Your current issues are quite superficial. There is no theological threat to American secularism. I think that Americans must be mad from having too few problems that they turned to discussing such insignificant problems.
I mean, you have two wars on your hands, raging on still, but your votes are polarized primarily on stupid issues.