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Why I don't believe in 'free will'

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Why I don't believe in 'free will'
Edwardo Piet Away
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RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will'
May 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
(May 27, 2009 at 12:40 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Of course free will must exist.
How so? Where is the evidence?
Quote:If it didn't that means that every tiny aspect of our lives and thoughts are pre-determined
No it wouldn't - as I explained there is no more evidence for free will in an INdeterministic universe than there is in a deterministic one. If determinisim is like rigged dice and INdeterminism is like your normal UNrigged dice...how does simply the more possibilites open in with the UNrigged dice in the INdeterminsitic universe remotely mean there is any choice in the matter of how the dice are thrown any more than if they were rigged? There's simply more options!

More random doesn't=choice! The lottery doesn't have 'free will'! Probability rather than pre-determined does not imply 'free will'!
Quote:and 'free will' is an illusion and if it is an illusion who is the subject of that illusion?

There is no evidence of ACTUAL free will..the fact that we believe it is just evidence of the ILLUSION of it BECAUSE there's no evidence of the TRUTH of it...

BECAUSE - BELIEF in choice is not evidence of choice!!! Just because we CALL it that doesn't mean we HAVE it!

If belief equates to evidence to the truth of a belief then that would mean that belief in God equates to evidence of the truth of it! And it fucking DOESN'T as you know!

Belief in 'free will' is not remote evidence of 'free will'. As far as we know it's just physics!

And INdeterministic physics bouncing about more randomly does NOT imply free will any more than if the universe is deterministic and pre-determined! It just opens the possibility! There's still no evidence!

'Free will' is still an absurd notion with no evidence to support it whatsoever as far as I'm concerned (which is the primary reason it's such an absurd notion....taking credit for our choices doesn't make them 'free' choices. Simply BELIEVING in free will doesn't make it TRUE! Either 'free will' exists or it doesn't! I know of ZERO evidence that it REMOTELY exists.,...no reason to believe it.).

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Why I don't believe in 'free will'

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Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Edwardo Piet - May 27, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 27, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Edwardo Piet - May 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Samson - May 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 27, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Samson - May 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 27, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 27, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Tiberius - May 27, 2009 at 5:37 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 27, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 4:16 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by infidel666 - May 28, 2009 at 7:51 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 9:12 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 11:55 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by infidel666 - May 28, 2009 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by leo-rcc - May 28, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 6:07 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 6:36 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Tiberius - May 28, 2009 at 7:01 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Tiberius - May 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by infidel666 - May 29, 2009 at 12:28 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by lrh9 - May 29, 2009 at 12:51 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Tiberius - May 29, 2009 at 9:01 pm
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 3:33 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 8:48 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 9:08 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Darwinian - May 30, 2009 at 10:58 am
RE: Why I don't believe in 'free will' - by Tiberius - May 30, 2009 at 11:18 am

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