FFRF is pissing off Ham and the Christians..... again.

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We're talking about the relationship between government, church, and state.  Native Americans are inclusive with today's state.  Of course it wouldn't have been unanimous with them back in 1776 because they had a completely different understanding of land and government, but that still doesn't change us being unified and our independence.  But this is where your argument fails.  The Native Americans believed everything was unified.  It didn't matter if it was a person or a rock, they all existed as one.  This was also part of the problem, because they didn't understand things like "land ownership."  It was simply something that existed in oneness with them.  So when you have people offering you things in exchange for land, they just seen it as someone giving them resources.  Of course the settlers viewed it as a binding agreement, and that in turn led to violence.  I think most would agree today that it was unfortunate, so really can't see why you would use it as a prop.

Then why did you use 1776 and the declaration and tie it to unanimous? It was not an example of unanimous no mater what spin you try to put on it. It's an example of a pre-selected group unanimity. But in the end, that's what you really want.

Not unanimous, only says "unanimous."  Nice logic there slick.

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So what are you saying?  You can't refute it directly?

Of course I can refute it directly.
You obviously didn't take American History classes, but there were these people called the Loyalists who didn't want to separate from Britain. There were quite a few of them.

Are you serious? So now you know what classes I've taken?  Wow, you must have super powers or something.  The "Loyalists" were defeated.  Many were imprisoned, killed, or fled back to Great Britain.  Even Benjamin Franklin's son was a Loyalist who was imprisoned.  I guess the history books aren't your friend.