RE: On the subject of Hell and Salvation
January 22, 2019 at 2:31 am
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2019 at 2:36 am by GrandizerII.)
(January 22, 2019 at 2:13 am)Godscreated Wrote:(January 21, 2019 at 2:56 am)Grandizer Wrote: Ok, so where do you think I went wrong? Is there something else my pastors and mentor neglected to tell me when I was a Christian?
The only thing I can think of that I didn't include is the "Jesus loves us so much he died for us" bit. And if that's what you're referring, I'm not fussed.
You never mentioned how those who never hear of Jesus can be saved. I have no idea what your pastor or mentors taught you, but it is evident that you learned nothing, the Holy Spirit confirms in your heart what man presents to you, and if that had happened you would not be in the situation you're in now, whatever that may be.
GC
It doesn't matter what I think now or whether I learned anything as a Christian. The fact of the matter is that many Christians who claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit answer this question as an exclusivist as opposed to an inclusivist. Without hearing the Gospel, one cannot be saved. This isn't to say that exclusivists necessarily believe God doesn't reach every single person on this planet in some way, but they do argue that access to the Gospel is nevertheless necessary, so if God never reaches out a hand to a someone born in sin, they will never have the chance to be saved ever.
(January 22, 2019 at 2:31 am)Godscreated Wrote:(January 21, 2019 at 6:16 pm)Grandizer Wrote: As for Romans 10, exactly. You're not saved if the Gospel does not reach you. Hence, the need for preachers.
Romans 10 is giving an easier way to salvation for those who haven't heard the Gospel of Jesus. It's not saying that those who haven't heard can't be saved, God will judge them on their own lives. Here is the thing, trying to live a good life even according to one's own interpretation of a good life is an extremely hard thing to do. God is just and will judge all justly, if He were not just He would have never sent His Son to pay the penalty for all of us.
GC
What you believe contradicts what Paul said in Romans. No one can be saved by living a good enough life. That's the point of Romans. Perhaps the Holy Spirit has yet to guide you in the right direction.
