On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[MilesAbbott81]

And who declares logic as logic ?

Call it common sense then. If you're going to say "who declares it common sense," well, I'd say "most people."

How do you know it was nothing ?

Because things don't simply exist without a source. To argue otherwise would be insane.

They are not impossible if they can be created or come about.

I mean according to natural laws, obviously I know they are possible through God. Are you being deliberately difficult?

I think we have had a whole thread that rather casts doubt on that argument, declaring DNA as god created is nothing more than a deceleration of faith.

I'm not here to go tit for tat with you about specifics. If you choose to believe things that make no sense, that's your choice.

And yet you still fail to show that a single one is anything more than a faith statement.  Declaring 'god did it' because we don't understand it is simply not proof of anything.

According to your standards, which don't matter. Only God's standards matter, and He has declared His creation to you very plainly, so that even the simple can deduce it. Something cannot come from nothing, and that's really all you need to know. If you need more than that, well, you're either an idiot or God has blinded you. There is no other option.

It's not so much denying as waiting for proof, show me the proof and what choice will we have but to put our denial aside ?

You deny His existence when you demand something He has already given you. You're saying "this isn't enough." It's enough. The problem isn't His, it's yours. You've created it.

What arguments ?

Well, a big one for me is universal salvation. People can't reconcile the existence of evil because they don't understand its purpose, and its purpose can only be understood in light of the truth of universal salvation. Otherwise God is painted as unimaginably cruel, which just isn't true. I don't know of any religion that explains the purpose of evil adequately; only Christianity does.

That's just gobbledygook, a none answer, how can it be declared truth with no way to measure that truth ? Again nothing but a faith statement.

The truth can be measured when no argument is able to defeat it, and when it can be applied to history and everyday life. That doesn't mean you personally will be able to measure it, but others will. Truly, if you can't even recognize the Truth when it becomes manifest, which I'm not even sure is possible, then you likely have no hope for salvation in this life.

Again gobbledygook, how do you separate self deception from truth ?  It seems you believe, because you believe.

The better question is, how can you call it gobbledygook if you've never heard the Truth? You probably haven't. Just because you hear the Truth doesn't mean you'll accept it. Jesus Christ spoke the Truth and people hated Him for it, and eventually killed Him for it. The Truth is not a pleasant thing to hear, which is partly why it's so easy to recognize.

You mean change you mind, you have yet to provide a way to measure the truth of what you believe. That doesn't involve simply believing it's true.

I would probably measure the Truth by the fact that I ran from it as fast as I could when I first heard it. But I was brought back, because we don't choose the day of our salvation; the Lord decides when and how you get saved.

But again you have yet to answer how you know it to be truth, aside from statements of faith which you self believe.  

Again, it IS a matter of faith. To clarify once again, we're no longer speaking of proving God's existence, but about my particular brand of faith. By the very definition it's a matter of faith.

Well as we have seen faith can get you to any position, how do you know for instance that the arguments you believe to be true (and therefore cannot be successfully refuted) are simply faith, you've already admitted here that almost every answer contains an element of faith, belief in things you cannot prove.

See above answer. On the grounds of doctrine and common sense, mine is the only faith that can't be contradicted, as long as you want to concede that God does in fact exist for the sake of the argument(s).

How do you know a book written by men can be trusted ?

Well, we know because the Spirit of God reveals it to us, primarily. But one can also tell when one speaks by His Spirit, because it won't be contradicted by other Scriptures. Paul's epistles can't be contradicted.

And yet a quick look at the news, even just this day  will tell you it does not.

The world exists as it does today precisely because there hasn't been much grace given to men at present. And this is all perfectly okay and part of God's design...fortunately, things will be changing very soon.

Again gobbledygook, why would you repent to a god who's existence is unproven ?

It's not gobbledygook, you're just repeating yourself again. The question isn't even necessarily "why would you repent to a god"; how about starting with "why would you not repent"? Take God out of the equation, unless you happen to view yourself as morally bankrupt and don't care that that is the case. So answer that question for me, please.