On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[GrandizerII]

MilesAbbott, again, your faith is not a reliable means to knowledge. You can have your faith, but you can't use that to argue that you know anything and you can't, if you really did care to have an honest discussion with atheists, presuppose the truth of statements that we naturally do not agree with. If you want to talk about God existing, God hating sin, us being sinners, and so on, you have to reason your way to these statements when discoursing with atheists; you can't just simply assert them as true.

I've never said my faith is a reliable means to knowledge. Faith has very little to do with knowledge.

So let me get this clear. You have faith, but you acknowledge it doesn't lead to knowledge of God?

What I'm saying is that all the evidence you need is before your eyes. There is no way to look at our clearly designed world and say it is the result of anything but God. I'm not saying that it's merely wrong to not see, I'm saying it's impossible to not see. If you really can't see it, then God has done the impossible and hidden it from you, and that's because of sin:

"For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)

Your being an atheist has nothing to do with you having an opinion or belief of your own. Your atheism is the judgment of God upon you for your wickedness. That's the essence of my argument, really. You'll either read those arguments, which I've written down in greater detail elsewhere, and heed my words, or you'll continue to march headlong into destruction.

Nothing about the world around me points to the Bible God. Unless you have properly reasoned your way to the Bible God (and I strongly doubt it), you are going by mere faith. Again, faith is not knowledge.