On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

"How do you know that?" you constantly ask.

Do you believe in the existence of dark matter? If so, why? Because scientists say it exists? Aren't you just making a declaration, repeating something you don't really understand and have never observed, saying it's true because men have said it's so (when men are proven liars, no less)? Aren't you putting your faith in men concerning this thing, then?

Okay I'm not going to go through the whole things, but let's deal with this matter of convoluting faith we have in say gravity, and faith in a god (of your choice)  

Firstly we really have no idea what Dark Matter is, but we do see it's effects on the universe. Dark Matter is a placeholder name given for something we see the effects of, but have yet to find out what it is maybe one day we will know, maybe we never will.. who knows ?
So yes If i were to ask a scientist to show me the science around it, they could.

How about Pluto? Have you ever bothered to observe it in a telescope yourself? The same concept applies. You're trusting declarations other people say are so. I am obviously not saying that neither of these things exist. That's not at all my point.

Again that's just half the story, if I wanted to see Pluto I could simply ask someone with the knowledge of astronomy to show me, so unless you yourself doubt the existence of Pluto, then yes my faith would be very well founded. and could be proven.  

I say I can see the inherent design in the beauty of nature, how the indescribably complex patterns and processes that exist are surely evidence that it was all designed by a Being Whose intelligence so far exceeds our own that it's literally incomprehensible.

How so ?  Complexity does not mean intelligent design, purpose might but you have not demonstrated a purpose of anything.

These things are observable. It's evidence. It just isn't good enough for you for some reason. Could be a multitude of reasons why, I'm not claiming to know. But I do know that the idea of God threatens our flesh. We like to be in control, we don't like the idea that this reality is under His total and perfect control, and we love our sins, so we resist Him tooth and nail, despite reality screaming in our face.

Maybe you've not been blinded. Maybe you're just stubborn, like most agnostics and atheists. Whatever the case, you're in a very bad place when you can't see or refuse to acknowledge reality. And that goes for anyone in your shoes.

Let's put the hysterics of kicking, screaming, love of sin, to one side for just a minute . Before you attribute anything to god, you first have to prove your god. To claim that anything is so complex that only a intelligent being could have created it is nonsense.

Well, you may not have been trying to be condescending, but it appears you're unable to control yourself. Calling God man-made is a statement of your belief that anyone who believes in God is being stupid because "there's no proof."
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That's not the point. The point is that you're throwing out assumptions that are essentially faith statements. True, you're not speaking definitively, but I could also point to the existence of flying pigs as a possibility too. It's just stupid. The concept of God is not stupid.
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Similar to my last response: yeah, you are happy to say you don't know. Maybe because it makes you appear to have humility, or maybe it's because it makes you happy that your "ignorance" absolves you of not giving your Creator the respect and attention He deserves. When it's all about you, the flesh is quite happy indeed. You are not absolved.

Again this is not about humility, I simply do not know, how else could I  express that without you feeling as though I'm being condescending ?
The point is that you don't either, you cannot possibly have that knowledge.

Yes, they lie, but the Spirit of God doesn't, and when the Spirit is with you, you know that the words in the Bible are true. There are plenty of other reasons, but that's the only one that matters.

So is it all true ?
and how do you know the assurance you have is simply not yourself ?

No, you'd like to know the truth on your terms. Your standards of proof are unreasonable.

I try not to be unreasonable, maybe my standards are high, but surely a supreme being, who wants me to know him would easily be able to meet any standards a mere human could concoct, in fact I'm sure a supreme being would welcome it.

He did after all go about crashing all over the place in the bible, smiting people here and there,  but hey that was written by men and they are liars.

Science has become a god in its own right, and probably billions have died on its altar. People claim science as an authority all the time. You do it below, claiming that the genetic modification of food has been done successfully. That's not true. We have no idea what the effects of genetic modification of food are, although they seem to at the very least point quite directly to causing cancer. Then the pesticides, again a product of science, are used to grow that genetically modified food, polluting the soil, the water, and the food product itself, which also causes cancer and plenty of other nasty health issues according to heaps of research. It's a monstrosity, and you call it successful? See, science does kill people. It's killing you right now, because you've put your trust in its soundness, literally eating its products to sustain your life. It's not sustaining your life, it's ending it.  
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I would consider understanding how to cure diseases a good understanding, because what good is biological knowledge otherwise, beyond the ability to perform surgery and the like? Can we cure AIDS? No, we can't cure viruses yet, despite vast resources thrown into it. Cancer remains a mystery to doctors, who insist that chemotherapy and radiation are decent treatments.
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Want to know how to cure cancer? Well you could probably start by looking at certain practices in Germany that have 90+% efficacy rates. But that's really unnecessary. Water fasting cures cancer, dandelion root powder cures it, heat treatments cure it. Changes in diet are also very effective, particularly in preventing remission. Radiation and chemotherapy are just ways that corrupt men earn money, that's all, and yet people put their trust in them and appeal to their supposed authority in arguments. It's all foolishness.
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You're welcome to do this research on your own; it's not my job to do it for you.

Yes I agree no sane intelligent designer could have designed such a weak disease ridden body, that we have to look for our own cures, but the cures we have come from our own knowledge.
If you have come across a cure for cancer I would have though you consider it your christian duty to spread that good news of your 'magic' cures.
I'm sorry but you really are beginning to sound like you have a problem with reality

See above...it was the Lord who pointed me to this kind of research. Just because He hasn't given it to everyone doesn't mean He has withheld it from everyone.

*bold mine*

Oh boy sorry, he has hidden it from people.. on the internet ?  Such a cunning plan no mere man could conceive it.

I'm sorry i really am going to have to stop here, your claims have now moved well into the realms of disturbed.