(February 18, 2019 at 11:18 pm)Lek Wrote:(February 18, 2019 at 10:57 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: I'm saying the energy of the universe exists. As we go forward in time from the big bang, we have expansion, then the formation of subatomic particles, and later simple atoms. Giant clouds (mostly hydrogen, with some helium and lithium) formed early stars and galaxies.
Our universe is unstable and instability seems to be part of nature.
If the energy of the universe remained stable, we wouldn't have a universe.
So we have energy in an unstable environment. Think of it like a jack in the box. You turn the crank and each time you turn everything seems stable.
And then you repeat the exact same thing you just did (turning the crank) and instead of doing nothing, it goes BOOM !!!
Nature has a way of doing that. Imagine how a star forms. Giant clouds of hydrogen form under gravity and draw closer to one another.
More and more and more hydrogen gather together. And it doesn't remain stable does it. It heats up. It changes. It begins to burst out and engulf itself into an explosion of heat and light, becoming a star.
No person or being or god is required. It's just gravity and hydrogen. And a star is born.
So yes, I would say that the energy of the universe has always been.
If it exists now, then it exists in every moment of time.
Seems like your energy and my God share some common characteristics. They both were never created and always existed. The universe came from your energy and my God and we really can't scientifically prove where either the energy of the universe or God came from, but we both believe our versions.
With one very large difference.
I have evidence that the energy of the universe exists.
Do you have any evidence that your god exists ?
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
