RE: Nature comes first
February 19, 2019 at 12:06 am
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2019 at 12:07 am by bennyboy.)
(February 18, 2019 at 6:20 pm)fredd bear Wrote:(February 18, 2019 at 5:45 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I think you're kind of ignoring the essential philosophical paradox there.
Where did the natural materials come from? More nature? Is it turtles, all the way down? How?
@bennyboy:
Your argument is also called "The 'watchmaker argument" . This an argument used by theists to 'prove'e intelligent design . In another guise, it becomes 'irreducible complexity.' It's simply incorrect.
The article linked below is too long to post here, but I recommend it to those with an open mind. I exclude apologists from that group.
I'm not making that argument. I'm saying that there's knowing, not-knowing, and pretending-to-know. We don't know how existence came into being, or if it ever did. It's a paradox that if thought about too much will make any intelligent person shit their pants in philosophical terror.
Saying God made the Universe is pretty unsatisfying, because what made God?
Saying nature came first is pretty unsatisfying, because then what made nature?
Saying nothing came "first" and the question is broken because everything has always existed-- well that's just a mindfuck.
The only acceptable answer to the question of existence is-- I don't know. Nobody knows. Pass the peanuts.
